Quote from: jwinterm on December 19, 2016, 07:06:05 PM

Why exactly is dgb a scam and gulden is not? Doesn't gulden have a much bigger premine that is currently a much much bigger share of coins in circulation now? I don't own any gulden or digibyte, just curious about the choice of language re: scam. Afaics it seems like the blacker pot calling the kettle black, but maybe I'm missing some part of the story.

You are obviously a troll with an agenda, and really I don't need to justify myself to you, if I say I won't ever work for something because it is a scam then I am entitled to that opinion. As soon as people from that coin stop making stupid comments that I should work for them I will happily stop stating the reason why that will never happen.
I mean honestly I would like nothing more than to never hear about that coin again, it is they who keep coming to us and causing trouble.

But what the hell let me amuse you for once, it is the 'silly season' after all.

For starters you apparently have no idea what a scam is.
While some scams might have premines there really is no correlation between the two - this is simply a straw man of your own construction. A premine is simply an entity, whether it is used for good or 'evil' depends entirely on the project. In the case of Gulden it is being used to fund development (While in the case of a scam the entire thing would have been dumped on the market when the coin reached it's temporary peak of 12000 sat) - which unless you are blind you will agree is quite clearly being delivered on, so if you want to claim that is somehow a 'scam' then I believe the onus is on -you- to prove that.

As for what does constitute a scam, this is pretty simple.
Scam "a dishonest scheme; a fraud" (i.e. exactly what certain people around here like to call 'marketing')
Why is Gulden not a scam?
Well quite simple Gulden does not go around making claims that are not true, we do not intentionally try to deceive anyone, we do not make promises we cannot deliver on, we spend large amounts of time actually maintaining our products all of which are regularly updated. We put out new releases at regular intervals, each one improving on the previous one. We do not put out features that we know can't work just because we want to create hype.
We do not do anything dishonest or fraudulent.

Now lets examine what does make a scam - you'll notice this pattern in a huge amount of coins around here:
1) Claims about large investment with no proof to back it up
2) Claims of enough developers to form a football squad
3) Nothing works properly or as advertised - things like mobile wallets are released once and then left to break, when they break people are told "you should use the desktop wallet instead"
4) When this is brought up the community is asked to fix it or step up and donate to fix it despite (1) and (2)
5) Regularly make claims about outrageous things like "Microsoft partnerships" or "using Microsoft technology"
6) Consider a 'checkpoint update' as a major heading in release notes.
7) Implement(s) cheap gimmicks like super fast block times which can be used to impress/fool people who don't understand what is going on, but that anybody who really understands the code knows would never hold up if the network were actually exposed to real usage.
8 ) Focuses on things like TPS even though 99% of blocks are completely empty.
9) Despite (1) and (2) have put out less lines of code in an entire year than what
10) Putting out features that they know don't actually work properly - just because the feature will generate hype.
11) Run on year(s) old codebases with known vulnerabilities, knowingly putting peoples money at risk and pretending that this is not an issue.

Really I could go on all day, the above are just a few random points of dishonesty or fraud, aka a scam.
Hopefully this satisfies you, if not, too bad.

So there I made the effort to answer your question so now it's my turn to ask a question - quite clearly you have absolutely no interest in Gulden - I mean you said yourself you would never invest. Your last 5 posts here have all been to FUD, first with a bunch of embarassingly wrong assumptions about our latest release, and now about a premine.
So heres the question - why are you here? Why hate on one of the few projects in Crypto that is actually putting out legitimate projects and code? You don't have to like Gulden that's fine but then why don't you just go do something constructive instead of coming here with nonsense?