Quote from: r0ach on January 07, 2017, 01:52:15 PM

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It's their fault, not ours.
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Nope, just pragmatic when it comes to self preservation. Jews destroy nations. Period.

Both these claims are false r0ach. What makes the Jews different is that they are among the very few groups who do not destroy themselves by actively embracing collectivism. They are also smarter then average. In a world full of nations bent on self destruction the sane rise to the top. iamnotback highlighted this well in some of his recent posts. These are copied below (mildly edited for language).

Quote from: iamnotback on December 18, 2016, 03:54:24 PM

The Jews are succeeding because their group strategy is correctly aligned with the natural laws of nature.

The Jews sit outside the collectivism and anneal with it groupwise...This is why the Jews don't do usury to each other (they are a small group scattered across many collectivist regimes, forming a common philosophical bond or group strategy, and usury is collectivism paradigm in the large), only to the other gentiles.

Collectivism is the fault of those who participate in it. The Jews did not take away free will of the gentiles.

Quote from: iamnotback on December 19, 2016, 07:10:32 PM

We choose to enslave ourselves with the leftist, atheist religion...there is no freedom from the NATURAL LAW. You can pretend you are free without any NATURAL LAW consequences, but you are lying to yourself if you do.

The core of the Christian (and Jewish) faith is about individual adherence to the NATURAL LAW (which includes the natural law outcome of the group evolutionary strategy). There are of course Christian sects which have fallen away from the core point of Christianity.
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Every human has to decide to interopt with society and nature in some form of group evolutionary strategy. We don't get a free pass from that decision. It is unavoidable, even by default.

Quote from: iamnotback on December 19, 2016, 04:41:03 PM

Leftism is the religion which promises the individual he/she can entirely free, protected, while protecting the right of everyone else to be entirely free and protected.

Sounds very noble right? Read on...

All religions exist to protect the society (and the family) against the defection of the individual. Traditional religions argue that subjugation of some of the "evil" whims of the individual (e.g. extra-martial affairs) is necessary to maximize the success of the society, e.g. children who grow up without their fathers usually do statistically much worse in life in various metrics, including health.

Whereas, in leftism the "evil" is not "protecting the right of everyone else to be entirely free and protected". But what does this really mean? It is double-speak. It really means to steal from production so as to enable people to abandon their moral responsibilities so that the society can be utterly destroyed by hedonism and other ramifications of offering everyone "state-supported freedom" (which is a guaranteed megadeath hell in the future).

But don't dare tell the leftist, atheists that their idealism is corrupt, bankrupt, and disingenuous. They will gut you with a knife if you dare challenge the veracity of their beloved social justice.

"Entirely free" means you can do what ever you want and there are no NATURAL LAW ramifications (the State will always support your right to do what ever you want), as long as you support the State's right to protect and economically provide for everyone's right to do what ever they want. In other words, a "free for all" clusterfuck of political correctness and stealing.

But NATURAL LAW in inviolable. No State can protect every individual from the NATURAL LAW. And if you tell people they can be entirely free (including economic freedom for everyone and every whim), then you have lied.

In short, leftism is a Tragedy of the Commons. Thus is a false religion. It lies. It is Satan's religion.

I would have called it DIVINE LAW from which NATURAL LAW flows but otherwise I agree with the logic above.

This is not to say the Jews are blameless. Jews do not destroy nations but collectivism does and collectivism is greatly accelerated by usury.

Jewish Moneylending
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-moneylending/

Quote from: Norman Roth

Biblical law forbids taking or giving interest to your brother (a fellow Jew), whether money or food or any thing. The Talmud interpreted this very strictly, so much so that even greeting someone from whom you have borrowed, if such greeting had not previously been the custom, is forbidden. [For Biblical law regarding moneylending, see, for example, Exodus 22:24, Deuteronomy 23:20-21, Leviticus 25:35-37.]

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Originally, the medieval rabbinical attitude toward lending money on interest to Gentiles was very conservative, restricting it to scholars (not only as a means of income but because it was felt that they would be cautious about such loans and limit the interest charged) or to cases where it was absolutely necessary for livelihood.

Moneylending Yielded High Profits for Little Risk
Ultimately, however, the potential of great profits and the widespread demand for moneylending made it universal among Jews. Mordecai B. Hillel of Germany (b. 1298) wrote that there is no profit in any form of commerce like that to be made in lending money. Ibn Adret in Spain observed that it has become permitted for everyone to charge interest on loans to Gentiles, and now all have made themselves sages in this respect

The Jewish people's great historic error (in my opinion) was in their interpretation of scripture. Biblical law forbids taking or giving to your brother. Christians as fellow ethical monotheists and neighbours in the same country qualify and should have been considered brothers. An argument can be made that the Jews have paid a very heavy price for this error.