Quote from: mobodick on April 02, 2013, 06:49:24 PM

Quote from: deeplink on April 02, 2013, 05:07:44 PM

Quote from: mobodick on April 02, 2013, 04:31:21 PM

I'm just convinced that we cannot do completely without.

Quote from: mobodick on April 02, 2013, 04:31:21 PM

Humans cannot have a society in complete freedom and they cannot have a society under complete control.

I hear you saying that but that doesn't make it true. You are so convinced of your opinion, that you are willing to use force against me and other people that don't share your opinion. You refuse my right to act on my own beliefs. I reject this and refuse to obey rules that go against my conscience. As long as I am not harming anyone, I reject that anyone has the right to tell me what to do.

I see a future in which you will have to use increasing amounts of force to make people obey. It will create an opposite reaction and you will have to throw many in jail or kill them if they resist.

In my opinion you fail to see that you're part of the problem, not the solution.

Well, i haven't told you what to do at all.
I just told you a little bit about how the world works.

I also have hopes for humanity but they are distant because i understand that a real solution can only be found in biological changes to our species.
And these changes, if successfully selected for naturally, take time to spread because genetics is pretty amazingly slow compared to a human life.

Of course its a different thing when you're oppressed by your government.
That's absolutely undesirable and should be prevented at any cost. Power of the people and all that.
I agree that many things need to change. But its impossible to just swap out the ground rules of the global chess game while its being played. Real changes take time and have big consequences.
That's why real revolutions usually are bloody. Lips sealed

I completely agree with mobodick's views on this matter. To all the nay sayers and those that do not think mobodick is right I suggest that you read some history. The current system is one of the best, so far, we had. The problem, like with all kind of governments is the corruption level. Every man has its price. Also some may think that communism is a better way to go but it failed horribly and was equally plagued by the same problems as the democracy system.
A "society" that has no government and no "policing force" is doomed to fail and you are probably thinking of some clan kinship tribe thing. That wouldn't work either because you will always have some form of leader or governing body. "the freedom to do whatever i want when i want" is an Utopian view on things. It just doesn't work. A prime example is Afghanistan during the rule of the Taliban. Rapes, summary executions, etc because there is no governing body or policing force to stop it etc.
Do you really think that the ruling elite will give their power up willingly? No they will keep the reigns in their hands and no one else. that is reality. If you think otherwise that is your right but you do not know how the real world works. This is can be explained that you maybe a teen and do not have actually real world experience.
Did I say this democracy is the best thing that ever happened? Well on paper YES, but in reality? no but it is a far better system than we had in earlier times.