Quote from: iamnotback on December 26, 2016, 06:02:52 PM

The difference is that conservative is not going to add fuel to fire by proposing to steal back from the 1% which always is an increase in public debt stealing from yourself (because the 1% will always control the government so they just give us the debt we want and pocket the profits from our social activism). The leftists are in a self-destruction mode.

The conservative is willing to go pull himself up by his own bootstraps and make due with what he can achieve.

We do have some objectivity. Compare Eastern Europe and other Communist societies to the USA during the 1800s and early 1900s. As my Belgium friend said, "at that time, everything you touched turned to gold in the USA because you could do what you want".

The leftists will burn everything to the ground. The conservatives will abort such a megadeath.

Can anyone make a counter argument?

Conservatism at least in our modern iteration also steals. It steals via command and control of the mechanisms of governance.

We see this everywhere here are just a few examples.

1) Enforcement of laws limiting workers from working for a competitor. This has gone to such an extreme that Jimmy Johns sandwich recently blocked workers under threat of legal sanction to quit and work for subway.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5978180
They backed off only after getting sued. But this is the trend for most employers today.

2) Development loans and tax breaks given to favored industries

3) It's support of a debt based monetary system that impoverishes those without connections to the flow of new money and destroys the ability to save independently of government control.

4) Use of the threat of government violence and force in support of corporations collecting private debts.

Yes "Conservativism" has a better understanding of economic fundamentals and supports a strong police that can suppress dissent with force as needed. So perhaps it creates a more sustainable temporary order but this order is prone to violent revolution aka the French and Russian revolutions.

Now you can argue that somehow conservativism is something other than what I have described upthread or that the movement has been corrupted somehow. The fact remains that it is what a movement does rather than what it says that defines its character. As far as I can tell the modern "conservative" movement is just another form of collectivism that would prefer a different predator win the fight.

I believe the actual solution lies elsewhere.