Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 11:38:09 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 05, 2017, 08:30:52 AM

Also, if you try to regulate (stop) account trading and farming, then all you are going to do is force traders and farmers to evolve so that their behavior is less obvious.

Darwin didnt consider these species and their evolution indeed, it seems to me they are downgrading their evolution lately tho, whatcha think?
Anyways no, they do not evolve, i'll tell you what they will do: they will go trading their accounts somewhere else, not here. (weird you didnt think about this possibility...is it too evolved for ya?)

Which is more or less what IMHO quickseller meant. What does this accomplish though? I only see benefits when trades are done here and openly, not when they are done elsewhere in secret. Maybe you see something I dont.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 11:38:09 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 05, 2017, 08:30:52 AM

Quote from: Gunthar on January 04, 2017, 07:33:39 PM

(which leads 99% to exit scams)?

You are going to have to cite evidence if you want this statement to be credible.

The easy way (read a fucking trend) which is lately filling lazy members mouths here, is to use this formula on their reply "you HAVE to provide evidence".

Quickseller actually provided numbers recently on a meta thread here[1]. Its their personal perspective on this market, yes. There is no one else with similar experience stating other numbers though, so I think they are representative. Feel free to produce someone to contradict them.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1724930.msg17366026#msg17366026

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 11:38:09 AM

No, i dont have to provide any evidence (unless you asking for an evidence of a trade, a transaction or shits like that): i express my opinions which eventually are not FUD (IMO) unless you have solid arguments to prove the contrary. But i'm going to feed your laziness to read the forum and to understand the general matters and their reasons why people DO NOT like account's trading, so here are the evidences (me in bold red):

The things you wrote below in red seem to be your personal opinion and not arguments. Exchange Hero for Legendary because the forum has moved on and ALL of quicksellers points are valid. People come in the "legendary one day" thread and are admiring the rank publicly. This used to be true for Hero and maybe still to some extent. It is good that you dont give a shit about the rank, because in reality it does not matter, as it can be bought. Others however do, whether you accept that or not.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 11:38:09 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 16, 2015, 01:15:13 AM

...reasons...why a Hero member would be valuable (for example):

Higher Signature Payments

---> wrong value: you meant high signature spammers?

Prestige of being a "Hero"

---> seniority is not a prestige, it is the real value of the accounts, which is NULLED by the moment it is bought
...

Less posting restrictions - no 360 second jail

---> seriously? It was removed from my account the moment i became Jr? Theymos gotta love me then...

Can be used to promote your business

---> wrong value: people knows your account history, if you use a bought account to promote your "out-of-nowhere" business, you are starting with the wrong foot, you making it ridicolous![/list]
...

Additionally, an account with positive trust has value for the following reasons:

All of the above

---> nope

Greater chance of being able to promote your business

---> again?

Can entice others to send first to you, which will result in a lesser chance of you getting scammed

---> oh wow...this actually made me horny...

Can earn money/btc by offering services requiring trust (e.g. managing a signature campaign)

---> have luck as sign camp manager with a bought account...THANKS GOD WE HAVE VOD!!!

Prestige/respect of having positive trust

---> again the prestige mode button is here...lack of arguments?

Can be used to scam, it is rare that this happens, however it is a reality that others should be made aware of

---> are you aware of?
[/list]

The ONLY points i agree on your post are obvious, but again i'm going to feed your laziness:

Quote from: Quickseller on August 16, 2015, 01:15:13 AM

1) When accounts are sold, the new buyers will have a greater incentive to try to scam because they know there is a chance it will receive negative trust eventually anyway, so they have less ways to make their initial investment back.

2) Owners of accounts (the original owners) will have greater incentives to try to scam because the EV of a scam attempt verses trying to sell their account would be greater because of the low prices their account would now be worth, when compared to the potential payout of scamming.

AMEN!

You know...i dont like witch-hunting as well and sometimes i dont have the mental strenght to follow Timelord's investigation as he clearly is being way more anal than me (hey i have a life too...), but sometimes i wonder if your account is a bought account too because trust me: "young members" like me in this forum are having an hard time to believe you were a DT long time ago...

~Gun

Quote from: Quickseller on January 05, 2017, 03:33:26 PM

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 03:25:39 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 05, 2017, 03:19:25 PM

Quote from: Gunthar on January 04, 2017, 07:33:39 PM

account farming and trading (which leads 99% to exit scams)?

Please don't give any evidence to back this up.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 04, 2017, 07:33:39 PM

i wonder if your account is a bought account too because trust me: "young members" like me in this forum are having an hard time to believe you were a DT long time ago...

~Gun

Please dont give any evidence to back this up: you surely are the same troll you were as DT, aint ya?

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My QS account has not been sold. Not that this fact has anything to do with your argument.

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Can confirm, same key as ~2 years ago.