Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

By debating, i meant some work coleague / friend to do constructive debates with, so you learn from each other so you won't have to rely on your own logic and knowledge only, as i said.

@smooth was doing that for me, but I can't involve him in my white paper at this early juncture, because he is whale investor in Steem. Also seems @smooth has lost interest lately or is preoccupied.

I currently don't know of anyone I could trust with my invention at this early juncture, who is expert enough to actually provide peer review. My angel investors are both programmers and one of them is trying to read my whitepaper, but struggling with understanding it. I continue to try to work with him to improve the wording so it is comprehensible. There are a lot of details to cover and the topics are complex. He is astute and does ask tough questions.

Once I get to the public, open source stage of my project, then I will have peer review and expert criticism and interaction.

Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

These are just vanity type of debates on internet (between you and that chinese guy, or whatever he is ) that can be hardly won

That "chinese guy" @jaekwon is the co-developer of Tendermint and Cosmos. He is somewhat of a domain expert and thus you are reading discussion between two experts. I have posted in this thread my whitepaper's section which is applicable to that debate (note I just added the footnotes for the cite references). Experts will understand I have unequivocally won that debate.

Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

and where mostly non technical people are reading and where the "winner" is the one with better punchlines.

That is the way the altcoin speculation environment has worked up to now. I intend to change this.

It is time to get serious and stop the nonsense.

The fools can continue to waste their BTC in Dash wet dreams or whatever they want (free markets teach by burning fingertips up to the armpits as necessary), and I intend to go create a project with huge real world adoption and so those losers will left behind (or they can jump on the train later as they realize).

Action speaks louder than punchlines. Can I do it? I don't know. We will see. Talking here won't get it done.

Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

And you also know that in these type of debates you don't have to win the wise understanding minority, but the large non technical majority, that's where the funds come from, for your future ICO. Tell me i am wrong.

That is the way altcoins have been marketed up to now. It is all about mining the speculators, not creating a real product with real adoption. But our speculator markets are tiny. The big enchilada is out there in the wider world. I want to market to both.

I think the best way to mine the speculators is create a real product with real adoption which solves Bitcoin's and Steem's mistakes.

I think they will be jizzing all over their underpants.

I am not in marketing mode right now. I am in R&D mode. When I shift to marketing mode, then you will see how I intend to market the project.

Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

Also, blockchain is still uncharted territory, no one fully understands how to or the capabilities of blockchain yet, that's the reason of these 1000 type of blockchain flavors out there, and we don't have yet a fully working, without any flaw, long term product yet.

That is why my whitepaper is written to be comprehensive in explaining everything from first principles, such as starting for the Physics of total orders to FLP impossibility result. My whitepaper isn't fully polished yet (very long complex document so it is a significant effort to make it flawless), but the meat of what I need to point out is already present.

Then I explain where all the preexisting designs fit into the taxonomy, and contrast my invention.

Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

Because bitcoin certainly isn't. Maybe ethereum, that if they manage to solve scaling and implement it without major security risks.

My stance is that Ethereum's current track with Casper is exactly where I want them to be, because they are building a clusterfuck of Rube Goldberg complexity with hidden security holes they can't see.

Ethereum is a (currently flawed) visionary concept, but my expectation is the execution is going to be more of the same as what we already have observed. Until you change the leaders, don't expect a different result. Vitalik has demonstrated already what he is good at and what he is not. The track record is there and my fundamental understanding of Byzantine agreement as it applies to Casper indicates to me more of the same is underway. However, Vitalik is young and smart, so he may adjust his methods. We will see.

Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

So, if all along you thought all these projects were flawed and you thought you had the solution, you still had many years to come with something better.

The detailed design of what is better is already done. I don't know if the implementation in code will take many years. We will see.

Casper isn't even designed and vetted. Once they write it down formally and the vetting begins, that is when it will become clear that it is a clusterfuck of security holes. More months of wasted time before they even write it down formally. And Greg was recently kicked out of Synereo, so it is possible Casper dies one the vine and never makes it to formal specification. We will see.

Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

From my point of view, you're staying on the sidelines, try to learn from the mystakes of those that tried something before you, meanwhile criticising all their work and research.

Once my whitepaper is published, I won't be on the sidelines any more. I will have to defend against vetting.

I am on the sidelines for the moment in the sense that I have to code the rudimentary implementation before releasing the whitepaper.

Quote from: mining1 on January 05, 2017, 02:19:25 PM

There's also a consequence of that, willingly or not, you're building hype around yourself, here on bitcointalk, where you know there are mostly potential investors.
Now, i think you may come up with something, eventually, but i don't think it will live up to the hype you're building, willingly or not. Because, when you criticise something you have to surpass them. By a long shot.

You don't know me well. When I express confidence, it is because I have something already. When I express doubt (such as about my health and ability to code), that indicates I am being honest and objective.

I didn't intend to tease with closed source. I didn't start this thread. I also asked the OP to lock the thread, but it is his free choice to make.

I don't like boasting about closed source, because nobody can vet or check the veracity.