Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 04:13:36 PM

Quote from: shorena on January 05, 2017, 03:35:48 PM

~snip

Quickseller actually provided numbers recently on a meta thread here[1]. Its their personal perspective on this market, yes. There is no one else with similar experience stating other numbers though, so I think they are representative. Feel free to produce someone to contradict them.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1724930.msg17366026#msg17366026

He provided numbers without evidences which is IMHO easy to contradict (unless there is a list of the 135 accounts he sold and we can check his numbers are real)

Im pretty sure quickseller is willing to disclose the accounts to, e.g. me and let me verify the numbers.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 04:13:36 PM

Quote from: shorena on January 05, 2017, 03:35:48 PM

The things you wrote below in red seem to be your personal opinion and not arguments.

you call "opinions" these ?

Lets go over them one by one.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 04:13:36 PM

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Higher Signature Payments

---> wrong value: you meant high signature spammers?

- Bought account for signature sake are largely considered signature spammers: the concept is, you are an excellent writer so i pay you to have my company logo on yoru signature. If you start from the other side (since you pay me to have your logo in my signature, i will try to be an excellent poster) it is at a very high risk of signature spamming.

This is "common knowledge", but there is no evidence to back this up. It rather looks to me like a few people voice their opinion on this loudly which does make it true. I personally have sold very little accounts (significantly below 10), but all joined a campaign afterwards and none where shitposters IIRC. This is from memory and might have changed as I didnt keep taps on them, but I can go through my trades and double check.

Further more it make no sense for someone that recently invested coins in an account to fuck that investment up by spamming. Thats not economically sound behaviour.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 04:13:36 PM

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Prestige of being a "Hero"

---> seniority is not a prestige, it is the real value of the accounts, which is NULLED by the moment it is bought

- Being an Hero/Legendary is a prestige for the original owner only, not for bought accounts.

Its indistinguishable for those that do not know the account was sold/bought. Also, often certain offers are limited by rank. I remember there was a hardware wallet giveaway of sorts (you had to write a lengthy review) limited to Hero members. The rank itself has benefits which gives it prestige.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 04:13:36 PM

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Less posting restrictions - no 360 second jail

---> seriously? It was removed from my account the moment i became Jr? Theymos gotta love me then...

- the 360 seconds limit is remove by the moment you are Jr

Not entirely, I still have a 4 second limit and occasionally hit it when reporting threads. As a Jr. the limit is still more noticable. I would say whether or not this is an issue for you, greatly depends on how you use the forum. I often open 5, 10 or more threads at once as each loads slowly. This can also cause replies to take some time. I remember that I had still issues with the limits when I was Sr., seldomly and it didnt bother me. I can see though how it might bother others esp. on lower ranks. Trades on "Member" or "Full Member" are probably more likely than Hero and Legendary anyway.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 04:13:36 PM

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Can be used to promote your business

---> wrong value: people knows your account history, if you use a bought account to promote your "out-of-nowhere" business, you are starting with the wrong foot, you making it ridicolous![/list]

I recently got this account because that idiot defaulted a loan: do you think i would have been reliable if i show up in the "restricted" area of this forum and continuing to post as i was the original owner? If not...how long do you think it would become a ridicolous situation?

Donators are a very specific subset of accounts and while they come with even more prestige, they are also rare enough that the ancient users of the forum may know them by name. How easy was it for you to get a deal here when you first started compared to now? My first deals here, took time because no one trusted me. Now its easy - as quickseller also suggested - to have others go first, they often say things along the lines of "because of your trust/legendary I go first". We both know both can be bought, but you would also value an account with a higher rank as better collateral wouldnt you?

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 04:13:36 PM

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Can earn money/btc by offering services requiring trust (e.g. managing a signature campaign)

---> have luck as sign camp manager with a bought account...THANKS GOD WE HAVE VOD!!!

Unless i'm missing something, the only sig camp manager with a bought account is Avi...he bought that account when it was Jr...he is now Hero...i think he deserves that rank, am i wrong?

I read this more general and less specific to managing campaigns, but Im pretty sure at least one of the campaign managers besides Avi uses a bought account. I have given several examples above where rank allows for certain deals or makes them easier.

Quote from: Gunthar on January 05, 2017, 04:13:36 PM

Yes there are a couple of my opinions on those red lines you mentioned but....how can you consider NOT ARGUMENTS the red lines above. shorena?
~Gun

Now that you expanded on them its easier for me to reply to them.