Quote from: valta4065 on January 06, 2017, 10:40:35 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 06, 2017, 09:56:56 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on January 06, 2017, 07:41:52 PM

Quote from: valta4065 on January 05, 2017, 07:19:53 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on January 05, 2017, 05:20:10 PM

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So, to answer your question, I 'get my data' from a wide range of sources, but use my own mental library of observations and methods of thesis to discriminate it.

You didn't answer. I mean you maybe try to answer but you don't.
My questions were "what do you consider a reliable source information" and "where do you get your data from"

Your answer is "I spend a fair bit of time (because I have it) reading up on a pretty broad swath of topics (because I enjoy it.) "
So you read things. Great. And where does the data come from?
Because again all the climate change-skeptics I see here tell me that my sources aren't reliable. So where do you find your data??? What institution or media or newspaper or whatever do you consider as reliable?

Basically I don't often need datasets because I don't do original research. People who do think they need datasets are probably wrong and would not have the slightest idea of what they mean or what to do with them.

What I need to have a sense of whether a researcher is basing their work on appropriate datasets. For this, I basically rely on the researcher themselves as much as anything, and I choose to rely on a researcher's means and motives. If, say, Judith Curry publishes something on her blog I'll tend to take it seriously and study it more carefully. Also I tend to spend a good bit of time going through the discussion threads.

https://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/

After witnessing such obvious fraud and opacity prevalent in the climate change hoax, it is easy from the 'denier' side to write off all adjustments as scams. This oversimplifies the very legitimate need to do adjustments. As I've often stated here, the biggest sin that the Warmunistas have perpetrated is in making real scientific understanding vastly more complex and difficult than it was already. It is more and more obvious that it serves their political and professional interests to do just this because they are trying to base their higher goals on a scientific fraud.

Dr. Curry, like others, have achieved little but professional grief for their outside the party line positions as best I can tell in my research. On the contrary, researchers who tow the line are academically and financially rewarded. I suspect that ultimately the 'heretics' such as Curry will be remembered as the Galileo of their times, but in the mean time they get a lot of grief.

If you are interested, here is a site which is reputed to be a usable site for obtaining datasets: http://www.climate4you.com/
I've not used the resource much in part because I've not bitten off the task of turning data into a meaningful synthesis (which would benefit by the equiv of a graduate degree and several years of focused study.)

You almost do not need all those facts when you have fools posting here claiming a "correlation" between temperature and co2.

Let's just call them on it.

Show the correlation coefficient between 20th century temperatures and co2.

Go.

I love when climate skeptics ask for facts that's the best aprt of the game! Exactly like for flat earth believers

So you asked for a proof of correlation?
https://skepticalscience.com/The-correlation-between-CO2-and-temperature.html
http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/co2-and-rising-global-temperatures

Or you can do it yourself with original data:
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Of course all that only prove correlation and anyone claiming more than correlation to be proven is not telling the exact truth. Fact is that we see a correlation and a fucking good one. We also know what COULD be the cause, we can explain a link between Co2 ant temperature, explaining isn't proving though. But to prove it is nearly impossible as the climate system is something so complex that we basically can't have a perfect modelisation for it and I don't need to precise that experiments are out of the question no?

Just the number, please.

1900 on will do.

Let's hear it.