Quote from: Chris! on January 06, 2017, 11:34:53 PM

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was raped, who's fault is it?
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Lets not go there, its a bad analogy, see below.

Quote from: Chris! on January 06, 2017, 11:34:53 PM

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I see hacked accounts every single day here. It sucks. I hate seeing people's reputations get ruined for a few bitcents. The hackers are to blame of course but assuming you ever find them, would you ever really sue them for the $100 in damages? Obviously not. So it sucks (I know I already said that) but someone needs to take responsibility. Who should it be?

No matter what security you use, whether you're using a very secure computer or you use the same password on every website there's one person to blame: the hacker. Yes you should protect yourself but that doesn't mean it's your fault if you get hacked.

I really hope I never get hacked. Ever since I've joined bitcointalk I've been so much more careful with security so I hope that means I never get hacked. The problem is I've seen people turn on each other like wild wolves here.

Maybe let's come up with some kind of consensus. Let me know if there is a better option that should be in the poll that I didn't think of.

The attacker is always to blame, but the person attacked has to take responsibility for what happened. Its your account - same as its your body - if something happens to it, you have to live with the consequences of the attack regardless who did it. If your body was used to take out a loan, yeah the rape analogy starts to fall apart here. I doubt a rape victim has to deal with problems of damage done to others because they have been raped, at the very least I hope they dont. Lets put it aside.

If your account was hacked and used for nefarious reasons you are not to blame (unless maybe you have been careless about security), but you have to suffer through the repercussions same as you cant just put a rapist in jail (Im sorry I know I said Ill put it aside) and suspect the victim to be fine. Why is this so you might ask, its a digital thing, it should be easy to just revert everything. Well for one you cant just revert the feeling that someone was using your account. At least for me this is already a violation on an emotional level. More importantly IMHO though you can not proof you have been hacked and we tend to be very paranoid here. In order to avoid 'I didnt do it, was hacked' as a get out of jail free card, there has to be consequences if there was damage.

Quote from: botany on January 07, 2017, 03:29:29 AM

The original owner shouldn't be let off free. We all have to stand behind the actions of our account,
Negative trust should be automatic in the case of default of a loan.
Theymos believed so as well.

Quote from: theymos on February 23, 2015, 07:43:59 PM

think that marcotheminer should return the account now since it was probably hacked, but everyone should give yussuf89 negative feedback for being unable to stand behind his account's actions unless he pays 50-75% of the loan principle. (This is just my opinion -- I'm not going to try to enforce it.)

I personally think the best way to go is if both victims agree on something they can live with. A 50-50 split might be in order in many cases though.

btw, thanks for the reminder to change my password. If anyone has doubt its still me, ask for a signed message (PGP or BTC you know the drill).