Quote from: rhinomonkey on January 07, 2017, 04:20:50 AM

Quote from: rhinomonkey on January 06, 2017, 08:57:11 PM

Quote from: gjhiggins on January 06, 2017, 07:26:12 PM

Quote from: LucD88 on January 06, 2017, 07:11:14 PM

Not allowing anyone to help out in terms of code or whatsoever, while keeping people (read: community) at a far distance.

That may be a misperception. georgem and I had a difference in opinion over nomenclature and he was quite explicit that his perspective entertained multiple contributors:

http://spreadcointalk.org/index.php?topic=408.msg3068#msg3068

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We will see which dev pushes spreadcoin forward the most, and that guy will get to decide the name.

A segregated approach is a natural outcome of such a perspective and shouldn't necessarily be considered as deliberately exclusionary, merely competitive.

Cheers

Graham

If I'm understanding your post correctly, you're suggesting that Georgem operates under the assumption that other devs would want to work on this project and compete with it. His resulting behavior as a developer is thus guided by a strategic effort to box competition out and hold his cards close to his chest?

I would find this hard to believe. Especially because there have been a plethora of opportunities to further this project in ways that would make it more competitive. The protocol of long silences, ignoring many community concerns, and self-imposing seemingly impossible deadlines actually makes the coin more vulnerable to failure (other people taking idea and running with it or some other variation).

Essentially, the inference that Georgem is acting strategically from his segregated approach to development seems entirely incompatible with other behaviors he has exhibited. Not to mention he has never explicitly explained his reasoning for keeping things so obfuscated.

Moreover, even conceding that the approach thus far to developing this project has been the result of some strategy intended to keep Spreadcoin competitive, it would be nigh impossible to argue that it has been a successful one.

In arguing for the success of a project one would likely point invariably to price, however there are other measures as well. These include strength of community, technical progress, strength and growth of dev team, popularity.

Price has collapsed.

The majority of the community doesn't trust Georgem. He has become like the boy who cried wolf, though unlike the boy who cried wolf, it is not Georgem who suffers for his missed deadlines and, up to this point, false promises. It is the community. The people who have also have dedicated time and money to this project.

Thus far technical progress is not visible or transparent. Nor is there context as to where it stands in the broader scheme of development.

All former devs and team members have long since left as they too became far too frustrated.

These are facts not my feelings. Evidenced by countless examples.

Not one box can be checked as a measure of success.

This will, with a high probability, be ignored, dismissed or labeled as FUD as have all past posts addressing things that should be worked on improving.

Georgem, I hope this doesn't inspire some resentment towards me in you. These are legitimate concerns for the project. The community is disempowered and we are in the unfortunate spot of hoping that you can pull through with something while simultaneously being unable to trust much of what you say.

well ...

im still here - still watching ... but not 'inputting' anywhere near as much as when mr spread was around ...

as much as i would agree with all that is said about the closure and ennexure of help with georgem - he has never shown him self to be a dev that is on the negative side - like most of the the rip-off devs in crypto today ...

i felt frustrated also that i was never included from day one when georgem 'took over' as one of the original 'helpers' of the project as i was in constant communication on and off the forum with mr spread - and as such my input is always minimal ...

having said that - when i was active with mr spread those eons ago - i was approached by many community members ( when i was still using the chrysophylax profile ) and asked the same two fundamental questions ...

do you think georgem is a capable dev - and do you think spreadcoin will stand the test of time ...

the answer then - as is now - is yes and yes ...

i disagree with the WAY georgem works - but he is a dev that does do this in his own time - and he is a dev that admitted from the beginning that he is LEARNING as he continues with the spreadcoin project ... this learning curve doesnt stop because he has set a deadline - albeit many very naive deadlines ...

what everyone seems to miss here is a very simple fact ... its an OPENSOURCE project - and as the well informed and colloquially elegant gjhiggins has pointed out - ANYONE who is capable of developing can help with this project and submit pull requests to the git ... the owner of the git ( georgem in this case of his git ) can either reject or accept and merge or ignore and delete the pull request ...

if the devs who wish to help development dont like this approach - FORK the project and create something of equal and better value than the time consuming project this one has become ... easy ...

we would have done this a millennium ago - had it not been for the lack of developer and community support on our end ... now we have an infrastructure which ive personally been building ( and expending huge sums of cash ) for almost three years - that rival some of the large corporates ( for crypto only ) - and have a 'theteam' to maximize the effect of the development for this project - but still have this main issue of the longevity of the wait times between updates and development ... we dont give deadlines - we just publish after development is done ...

so in regards to georgem and his development that he refuses to share on the public arena ( opensource git commits ) then that is HIS prerogative and he commits in his own time ... if community supports that - and complains at the same time - then so be it ...

otherwise - if there is a better option and the support is there - that option should be explored seriously ...

#crysx