Quote from: GMPoison on January 19, 2017, 08:28:09 PM

Quote from: CoinCube on January 19, 2017, 08:12:30 PM

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On a second look perhaps the quoted author is merely throwing that sentence out there as commentary? Maybe it is this that is the heart of the matter.

Quote from: GMPoison on January 19, 2017, 07:03:12 PM

it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science.

Yet as we see in The Limits of Science reason cannot ever answer all questions. Faith without reason is impossible to avoid. The apriori cannot be escaped.

I believe the heart of the matter is very simply the following:

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In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable.

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Quote from: af_newbie on January 19, 2017, 08:20:16 PM

And you think I rejected the 'God' existence just like that? The intricacy of the world, the evolution of the universe, galaxies, the violent
creation and destruction that has been going on for billions of years, leads me to believe that there is absolutely no design behind the universe we live in. The life on Earth is not special, there is probably life elsewhere in the universe.

Looks like we have quite a few billions of years to go in this universe, so rest assured there is or will be life elsewhere.

The universe started with a violent explosion and it will probably end with a violent crunch. And the cycle will start again with a different set of physical constants.

Of course there is probability that 'higher power' might exist. The odds are about the same as the odds of winged horses or unicorns to exist.

Again, in matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. The odds may be the same of a winged horse existing, they may not be. One thing is for certain however, neither you or I know, and that is what agnosticism is all about. Simply realizing the fact that you nor I have the answer.

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Quote from: Mersedes on January 19, 2017, 08:19:33 PM

The big Bang theory looks much more persuasive than a fairy tale called the Bible. It seems to me that this is similar to what you'd be offered a ride in the first Ford and don't drive new cars because they did not have before.

Another person who thinks I'm talking about the Bible... yay.

Atheist and Agnostic are just labels.

I think God/higher power does not exist with 99.9999% probability, I do believe God/higher power might exist with 0.0001% probability.

So technically I am an Agnostic. I give you that.

By this definition all people who do not believe in higher power are Agnostics.

I do not believe in the God of Bible/Quran/Talmud and all other books written by people, those Gods do not exist with 100%
probability as those ancient stories are completely bat shit crazy. That is very easy to prove.

The other (not from the holy books) 'higher power/undefined God essence' is harder to prove or disprove as there is no evidence.