Quote from: Racey on January 24, 2017, 09:31:44 PM

Quote from: Mr.ExtraOrdinary on January 24, 2017, 03:11:10 PM

Just talking to an informant on the Democrat side. Unsurprisingly, this person heard that throwing political opposites in jail is a 'third world thing.' I heard the (shell-shocked looking) Andrea Mitchel say this right after the debate so I knew it was going to be a talking point that would get play. Here would be my rebuttal:

You know what else goes on in third-world banana republics? Politically powerful people get away with anything and everything since they are above the law. That's what!

What happens to people, that try to overthrow a democratic country?
Would you support it or fight tooth and nail against it.

There is a more basic question than this. This question is, Who are the people who are trying to overthrow the U.S.?

Part of the answer lies in what a smart person would do to try to overthrow the U.S. Would he get together with his neighbors and get some guns and ammo and grenades and attack the capitol? Would he enlist the help of a foreign country that doesn't like the U.S.? Would he do a big propaganda campaign worse than the one Tokyo Rose did? What is the smart way?

These days a direct coup won't work. Foreign countries don't have the strength to attack. Tokyo Rose was imprisoned (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Rose). So, what is a smarter way? One smarter way is to build up a reputation, act like you are doing good politically, become the President, and institute good-looking programs that really tear the country apart. Isn't that what Obama was doing and Hillary would have done?

But there is a deeper, more fundamental method in America. Hidden inside the Constitution, the Bill of rights, and Federal Rules of Criminal/Civil Procedure, is a method that shows what America is all about, and that remains almost hidden because people don't think. But, if this method can be destroyed before the people wake up and use it, then America might be lost.

The whole U.S. Government is overshadowed by this hidden strength that the people have. The people can, individually or en masse, take down every action that the Government does. The people being able to do this is part of the Government itself. Here are the important parts of the hidden strength of the people... how the people are above Government, making them the real Government.

First is the right to contract, recorded in Article I, section 10, clause 1 of the Constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_Clause). Right to contract individually is applied to people through the 14th Amendment (http://www.law.gmu.edu/assets/files/publications/working_papers/08-51%20Freedom%20of%20Contract.pdf). What this means is that people as well as the States can contract in or out of Government, and even in or out of their contracts with Government. It is part of Government, and essentially somewhat of a circular logic that shows that Government is way different than what we generally believe it to be.

What makes this contracting infinitely stronger is the 6th, 7th, 9th, and 10th Amendments. The 6th and 7th Amendments suggest that people can require a jury trial for anything. This includes even things that they have against Government... not only things that Government has against them.

The 9th and 10th Amendments state that both, the people, individually or jointly, and the States, have all the rights that they had before the United States Government was set in place. This includes the right to not be held liable for any laws or statutes that the United States puts in place.

Using the rights expressed by these Amendments includes speaking up (noticing) Government whenever you don't want to be part of any agreement, law, or statute. If you don't speak up, you are agreeing by your silence to all of the laws and statutes. It is part of Government.

One of the most important things regarding contracts and Government and trials is, If you sign a standard contract for an attorney to represent you, you have agreed to let the attorneys and the judges decide your fate, without you being able to intervene. The only way you can intervene is by rescinding the contract, thereby rejecting this contract if you want, but it might be easier to not contract in the first place.

The jury has the right to judge everything about your case, whether you bring the case, or someone else brings it against you. They have the right to judge you innocent, even if you are guilty, and vice versa. They can impose fines, hold judges in contempt, and do all kinds of things in regard to the case at hand, including repealing a law or statute with regard to you (even though other people will have to bring their own case to get it repealed for themselves). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification for a beginning understanding of the power of the jury.

What all this amounts to is that, as long as you don't injure someone else (harm him, or damage his property), as long as you don't break a contract (you can rescind the contract according to rules regarding contracts - a basic understanding is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescission - but don't injure anyone by your rescission), as long as you don't threaten anyone else (note that some threats can be accidental or without your knowledge... that you have threatened someone else), you can do anything you want.

Anyone who attempts to hide this information from you, or who attempts to thwart your using of this info and your rights, is someone who is attempting to overthrow Government. Why? Because it is Government for you to know and use these things. The whole court system in America has been infiltrated by BAR Association members who are trying to hide this knowledge from you, and take away your freedom thereby. They are trying to overthrow the American Government with an extremely subtle coup from the inside.

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