Quote from: johhnyUA on February 05, 2017, 03:20:22 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on February 05, 2017, 10:24:37 AM

BRAZEN = dash - proven many times over and over.

Show me a larger + more proven alt coin scam.

I don't know why the OP even started this thread. He was here the other days claiming dash was not a scam at all. I have no idea what scam means to him since he seems very confused as to what constitutes a scam.

nouninformal
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a dishonest scheme; a fraud.

Like proclaiming fair POW launch and then captive instamining most of it themselves in the first 2 days on super low diff. Then just keeping it all and reducing the available coins to everyone else. Then making new rules up that you get more of the minting just for having most of the coins and make all the decisions.

DASH is the most brazen since they scam then magnify the scam then solidify the scam loot.

It's will be good to ban you from Qtum signature. Maybe after that you stop to write such sh*t
Why it's scam? Would someone lost their money with Dash or what?
LISK, ETHEREUM and some others big coins also have big premine. Why you don't call them "scam coin" ? Ah?

If you had the capacity and open mindedness to understand then I will explain it to you.

Here have a read through... if you get stuck ask for assistance. Many here will offer you a hand.

I don't say ICO's are not for the most part scams. However proving it is the tough part with most of them. ICO's are conducted without you being able to witness the manipulation for the most part. If they are widely advertised and come through with their promises then it is much harder for devs and insiders to get an unfair advantage. There a variations on the ways to scam with ICO's .

I don't hold it against you to question my comments but do some reading then let it all sink in. There is little in the way of excuses. You have just one of the devs admitting he has 120, 000 dash/dark/xcoin after just a few hours. Whoops.... shall we restart the POW? nah lets cut the POW phase so that 120k is now like mining up 480k dash coins in a few hours. That is one of the developers. . Some of darkcoins most ardent protectors and enablers were even moaning about the captive instamine in the original thread.

Yes there are other scams worse than dash (probably), go ahead and prove one here and I will remove my comments. If not then return and post that you now agree there are no more worse (PROVABLE) scams than dash. POW leaves a trail that is easy to spot. ICO not so much.

Deal with facts not what you want to believe of what you are told. Go study up and get back to me here.

Below i add at the request of spot the evidence upon which I assert dash is a scam coin

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

SCAM = unfair and dishonest scheme = dash

This latest defence is so strange. Where are the victims ? what are you talking about it is there in black and white.

1. everyone who was told it was a fair launch LIKE ALL THE OTHER LAUNCHES AT THE TIME. - then prevented from mining fairly = scammed
2. everyone who was told there would be much more opportunity to mine ( then that got slashed by 75%) - prevented from mining the coins that were then taken away = scammed.

here are your victims.

3. everyone buying now thinking dash can go somewhere not knowing the scam it is will forever hold it back = being scammed.

Every dasher on here trying to scam others into supporting your scam = scammers.

I will be updating my scammers thread to add all of your names to it.

Denying a scam after it is proven time and time again to you in black and white = scam enabler and defender = scammer.

Threads examining the evidence of the captive instamine and reduction of the minting to magnify such instamining ...PROOF OF SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999084.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0