Quote from: phoenix rises on February 09, 2017, 12:43:07 AM

Nope, I am saying that this is not the whole story, lacks context and is basically a 'hit piece' on Jaxx...

That's fine. My comment was regarding your dispute of 'reality' which implied the facts were somehow different. But we can discuss context as well.

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 09, 2017, 12:43:07 AM

...that avoids mentioning the fact that Fluffy, who everyone expected to get it right (so he didn't have to announce anything, it was simply assumed it would be done right), royally fucked it up too and happened to be advising them.

Important question: did Jaxx take Fluffy's (free) advice to piggyback off MyMonero's backend, and that's why their software broke?

If not, then I don't see how MyMonero's difficulties has anything to do with Jaxx delaying for months and ultimately failing to deliver.

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 09, 2017, 12:43:07 AM

And is still advertising the site as 'The Simplest way to use Monero' with a warning banner that may or may not appear in your browser (just clicked there now and it did not), and arguably caused more short term damage to Monero's credibility than Jaxx did, and is still accepting new deposits from people, some of whom end up over on reddit asking for help to access their Monero from the site that is still borked.

Irrelevant. Whether true or false, none of this has anything to do with Jaxx.

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 09, 2017, 12:43:07 AM

He has subsequently admitted his mistake, as have Jaxx, and I am saying 'Drop it, move on, the people that needed to learn have learnt and nobody needs to be crucified here'. Get it ??

Fair enough, but do you really think we are crucifying anyone more than they already crucified themselves?

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 09, 2017, 12:43:07 AM

And this crap about Jaxx bringing it on themselves - sure, they fked up with that reddit converstaion when they struggled at the start, but it is clear that people more involved than you or I were able to move past this and continue assisting, yet most people here still cant see past that initial interaction and use it as a blinkered excuse to vent. Thank god you do not play a more senior role in this project or your grudges would bring it to its knees.

This comment actually made me smile. It's interesting how little changes with regards to the inner workings of small systems, communities and organizations versus those of a larger scale. I'm talking specifically about things like control, influence, and the general game theory involved. But that's a tangent.

I have no grudges toward Jaxx. I couldn't care less about their closed source integration, as it contributes very little to the community or the technology. On the other hand, MyMonero as an open source platform that third parties can incorporate and contribute to sounds much more promising for the ecosystem.

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 09, 2017, 12:43:07 AM

So you poked me enough to speak out for you. Well done, how courageous ... I hope you are happy now. Do you feel like you won something?

I'm quite satisfied that you actually stated your thoughts on the matter instead of your previously cryptic disagreement.

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 09, 2017, 12:43:07 AM

@ DaveyJones ... they paused the integration AFTER RingCT

There was plenty of red flags and delays well before the fork. In fact, people were predicting this exact turn of events after Di Iorio's update in November: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5dsqrf/jaxx_monero_integration_update_3/

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 09, 2017, 12:43:07 AM

Apologies to fluffy here, but I think it is wrong for certain members of the community to be shouting at someone outside whilst not looking inside too, and the accusation that I am the one with blinkers on here is ridiculous. People are simply too weak to speak about the other side of the story and risk offending you after all you have done, and continue to do. Personally, i think you have enough self-awareness and a thick enough skin to deal with it, and value truth, and Monero's future, over unspoken ass-kissing.

If we are not able to cast critical eyes inwards aswell as outwards there is no hope. Monero deserves better than that.

Your main point here, and elsewhere, seems to be that people are criticizing Jaxx's Anthony Di Iorio but not FluffyPony, thus engaging in "unspoken ass-kissing."

If you can't see the differences in how these two have behaved, not to mention the differences in their position and obligations, then there's no point in having that conversation.