Quote from: altcoinrich on February 11, 2017, 12:42:07 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on February 10, 2017, 12:32:04 AM

Quote from: altcoinrich on February 09, 2017, 01:46:20 AM

OP is an obvious liar, if Dabs and SebastianJu were scammed or tricked with special terms, I am not surprised, they earn escrow fees but they work for obvious liar. Why the escrows can't be more moral and refuse to earn money from liars?

DON'T INVEST IF YOU WANT TO LOSE MONEY!!!

PS: SebastianJu was tricked by opair scammer, wasserman. Wink

So you found out things against this ICO before we accepted escrowing or are you only playing high after others found doubts for you?

Don't invest when in doubt. That's what I had to learn the hard way. Believe me I lost a lot when I came into the community. That's why I became an escrow after many requested me for escrows.

Everyone should be clear that when you give your coins away then you lost them. If you are lucky you will get them back. If you are way more lucky you will get more than that back. If an escrow is involved then the chance to get the biggest part of your investment back is very high.

We escrows need the help of the community when it comes to find out if a project is legit. We escrows can create rules for the ICO that lower the chance for a scam happening. The highest an escrow is do is the refund. Well, of course someone can play lotto by taking part in a not escrowed ICO. Maybe the luck is with that one. Being scammed is A LOT easier though that way.

Regarding OPAIR. I don't know why such stupid lie is repeated. I was requested by the community after OPAIR started without escrow. Surprise... a lot already had invested. I knew more would invest for sure. So I agreed to escrow for the remaining time. I requested the funds of the first part but the issuer negated. So I had to let the community know that I can only escrow the second part.

Well, it came as it came... the issuer did not really provide what he should have provided. And I offered refund. A lot asked for refund but surprisingly man did not want a refund or even asked me to release his coins so they can get the OPAIR.

So where was I tricked? The issuer did not give the funds from the first part into the escrow address. But everyone who wanted a refund for the second part of the ICO received his refund. I do not see the trick you mention. The highest level of refund is where the investors decide on what to do with their own funds. Exactly that happened.

Opair was so obvious, you escrowed for second batch fund, you should keep it and refund to all people without negotiation with that bastard wasserman. Finally you had a deal with him, I remember you will not release the left 20 BTC(or 10, i don't remember) fund when his OCAML code wallet right? But people said you released all fund without that OCAML wallet.

I noticed that scam from ico early days, but they still invested, investors are stupid, history repeats itself, this res is 99% scam, you escrow can refuse to pay them.

BTW, I have a good idea for escrows to avoid scammers, the term should be including: which part of roadmap is done, release X% money, it can avoid non-tech scammers do such evil things again.

There is a Signature Managers against Spam designed by famous signature campaign managers:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545652.0.

If escrows want to eliminate scams, easy, make a similar group like those signature campaign managers, make a new term like I said: which part of roadmap is done, release X% money, we hate scammers empty promises.

So you say I should have refunded to anyone without asking the investors from batch 2 if they still want to stay invested? Surely no. This would have meant that I would override the investors opinion. As escrow the maximum I can do is offer a refund. Forcing to take a refund even if someone wants to stay invested is not correct.

You are right, investors invest and often they do not check or do their due diligence. They do this without and with escrow. And in 99% of the cases doubts only come up while an ICO is already going for a longer time. Without escrow it's that then already.

Yes, I know that most escrows, including myself, ask for milesteps since it is raising trust in the project because of lower scam chances. In this ICO this could not be done but every investor still can check the details and the protection the escrows still can provide.

I'm not sure how you mean it with the escrow scammer team. In the case of res there is one milestep and the rules to be met are defined. That's how the situation is with RES.

But please be aware that we escrows closely watch what happens in this thread.