Quote from: franky1 on February 13, 2017, 07:23:59 PM

Quote from: pereira4 on February 13, 2017, 07:09:42 PM

There will never be "massive onchain scaling" overnight without massive node centralization. but there can be natural consensus growth onchain scaling over months-decades.
where NODES decide what they can cope with and it scales with what NODES can cope with to avoid the fake doomsdays of centralisations

fixed that for you

Wrong. Onchain scaling on a decentralized network backed by an huge amount of hashrate to guarantee top tier security while remaining decentralized as bitcoin delivers, will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS lag behind the centralized solutions such as Paypal, VISA, and other centralized payment networks when it comes to speed, cheapness to send the transactions and volume of the transactions. It's a losing game trying to outcompete them onchain in speed, fees and transaction volume, it will never happen, stop being delusional, this is just physics. We NEED a second layer to compete on that field, those are just simple facts of life. Stop being children about it. You can't have it all.