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Real freedom is something quite wicked. As you may see, the freedom we are allowed is limited, as we cannot trespass on other's freedoms, rights and lives. Real freedom would consist of no rules or morals, resulting in anarchy. That's why humans must always be chained down at some extent for their own safety and even the safety of their surroundings.

True people, free of sin, evil and hatred, are completely free.
They found their freedom in God's hands and love.
It's absolute freedom.
People who are slaves of sin are not free, of course.
They are slaves of sin and such people is really difficult to control.
They fight only for their individual, selfish freedom and don't care about others.
In such world there is no real, absolute freedom, only chaos and living hell.

I have to agree with you. The freedom I was talking about is limited to the world of the living. If we move to the Gods and souls stage, it is a completely different things. As concepts, feelings and morals may not exist in that world, freedom is definitely not the same. In my opinion, God is the only one who has true freedom, as he creates and destroys, gives life and takes it.

God can't give you freedom. Religious leaders can only promise freedom after death. This is nonsense. Nothing after death will not. They thus avoid responsibility for their promises. I don't believe them.

Oh, that's also another side of the problem. Real freedom we refered to couldn't be possibly attained. It would make you the same as God basically. That's why I personally see it as something quite beautiful. It is like watching a bird fly and wishing you could too.

I don't want to be free as God because it doesn't exist I want to exist. Absolute freedom does not exist. Man lives in society, and in society there are certain rules dictated by the majority. You have no chance at freedom.

Alright if that's how you think, then what do you think about people who live away from society? Would not having rules make them free?