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It's their fault they got scammed and you get to keep the BTC and charge them over again for something they thought they were getting the first time. I see how it is. It's their fault and no responsibility for this can be pointed in your direction at all.

I take your point though that it is open to the abuse you suggest.

It seems you have little faith this person you went into business with after all.

I wonder how many vidz have been confiscated in this manner away from investors.

I hope this ICO is water tight for the investors because your empathy for YOUR previous investors is pretty poor... from you and the escrow.

If you're going to put words in my mouth, don't expect a proper response when you're not even reading them.

I love hearing this accusation that I have no empathy for people who lost money but last I checked there's a 50% swap so that people who would rather support my project and reap the rewards my project produces they can do so without spending any more money than they already have.

Such empathy, very fashion, so crypto... yeah you start a new ICO get some Bitcoins and then let them burn their coins from the project that you walked out on(giving them no chance to sell said tokens on vidz) which also raised Bitcoins which went to you not including any vidz you held.

But sure, its easy to be empathetic when it pays the bills. How about starting a new project and give the coins out for free to anyone holding an address in vidz? Not raising funds with a new ICO and not asking them to burn another coin? Hell you could even give yourself 5% of the staked coins.

Oh yeah thats right because doing that doesn't get you more Bitcoins.

A real man would not charge investors that just got burned. But thats just a subjective opinion, carry on.

I'm not here to debate what "a real man does" and I'm not sure who's been feeding you information but it sounds like you have half the story? I don't possess all of what was raised in that crowdfund and it's not my fault that project is in shambles especially when I wasn't the leader of it. Unfortunately, many people aren't willing to exactly work for free and I'm not talking about myself here but referring to the costs of graphic designers, other programmers, lawyers, etc.

And about selling...

I'm not here to give people trading advice either but the word hedge comes to mind.

Pay no attention to zimbeck this person has been sniffing ass and forgot to actually get the facts before jumping the gun for his number one fan cryptohunter. You giving them thick as shit bag holders a way out when you don't need to shows your true colors, not dumping the damn 150+btc worth of vidz that you could have easily does also. I mean what bad man leaves 150btc on the table that was ready to take lmao! Thick as shit majority of this forum, includes so called legendary members.

Shhh grasshopper... nobody wants to hear you personal comments and childish remarks.

Obviously to me you have some unseen attachment to this project.

Calling david zimbeck thick.... lol Please grasp that kind of remark is going to get you zero credibility. Who are you to comment on any other persons intelligence since your wild assumptions and one sided approach suggests you're not worthy to mention proven conceptual designers and coders here without asking permission first.

Stick to discussing the facts and we may deem you worthy of a response. Constantly swearing and using foul language is not the way to operate here.

So let's break your nonsensical rant down and try to extract something worthy of debating.

Thick as shit bag holders ( his previous investors) ? is that who you are referring too?

Not dumping 150 BTC worth of vidz? - not even worth responding too since i tried to explain to you before you have no knowledge of who bought or owned what do you? NO well then any volume you can see means nothing. The devs could have a lot more vidz than you assume. The volume you witness means nothing. You know not if he already dumped or could not dump for fresh BTC. These are assumptions you make based upon nothing. You seem pro novus to the extent of being heavily invested or part of the scam.

You have no facts... nobody here can even present as a fact this person is not as many suspect PV ...all other unproven nonsense you're spouting out are also not facts.

Now if you wish to discuss facts then I am open to engage you. However if you're just wanting to shout childish remarks littered with swearing and other foul language then don't bother to reply. Your comments are noise and nothing else. You appear to me to be fanatical over this project to the point extending and presenting wild assumptions that make you seem like a scam facilitator.

When you are privy to practically zero facts regarding and ICO held on this board all assumptions you are making are null and void. Try to get your mind around this since you're so much smarter than other people here.

-One of OP's sock puppet accounts
-Bought into the ICO already
-Swapped from Vids
-Paid shiller
-Part of Novus
-Real supporter (do they even exist anymore? It's all about the money)

Exactly. Who can say or know for sure. When people are fanatical and constantly quote details as facts when they can not be verified as if to prove legitimacy are dubious at best.

I am not even saying that this novus guy is not everything he says he is. However, I am saying that any person that invested in the original ICO and purchased vidz from him and paid him for those vidz should not have to pay again when they have vidz trapped on his original ICO site.

I take his point that in theory the vidz site could be showing fake values in those accounts now and even if they hand him the user account details they are not trustless. This is a big problem and if vidz turns full scam and they never retrieve their vidz and can not swap for novus after paying the novus/vidz dev for tokens they never received their opinions will I'm sure be heard loud and clear in the future and rightly so.

Seems a sticky situation for novus. I would say to him it is worth taking the risk. If people can hand you their account details and you log in and verify they have vidz stuck. There should be a provision for those vidz made and novus held aside for them for a period of time. If need be and it is a small amount you will need to extract if from the millions of vidz you have yourself. I guess it will be a small proportion of people that are in this sticky situation. You could argue you only own them 1/2 of what they have there anyway I suppose. Or if you really wanted to could reimburse them at 41 sats half the ICO amount and still be seen as fair.

Put a time limit on it too and set aside a max amount of novus. I would expect less than 5% of ico vidz are trapped on the site. The majority would have extracted to wallets or exchanges.

Some consideration for your old investors that have vidz trapped because you pulled out should be made. Trust me in the future it will be worth it. A bad start is a bad start. Consider most probably will not even want to hand over their vidz account details and you can put a deadline too. Actually if you believe your friend is going to return it is win win for you because you will get some who will not wish to wait for him to return and will be motivated to switch over to novus anyway.

You could even hold back their novus for a time too.

I only even know about this due to a person I know telling me their vidz are trapped on this ico site and the old owner is starting a new ICO.

Last thing you want is your project branded a scam before it starts. It looks and sounds rather promising in some ways.

You want us to manually login to each morons account that decided not to withdraw their vidz from ICO site? Not to mention we can't burn it because it's not controlled by us, rather PV.