Quote from: iamnotback on February 23, 2017, 12:27:41 PM

Quote from: dinofelis on February 23, 2017, 08:22:51 AM

...because you're confusing physical entropy, and actual relevant information. Actual information is limited by physical entropy, but there's a lot of useless noise in physical entropy. A hot stove sends out tons of physical entropy, but doesn't contribute much to the intelligence (the financial, scientific, political and economical intelligence) of the receiver. But by having to argue, you obliged me to put upper limits to numbers, which helped me in my thinking, and I thank you for that.

I am just frustrated because I don't have time to whirl away arguing in forums about things that don't really concern the immediate goals I (we) need to be focused on. But I also can't allow the community to get the impression that I am incorrect on any major topic (unless I am genuinely incorrect, in which case I will concede at the earliest possible realization of it).

Also Malthusian doomsday religion FUD supports a lot of scammy shitcoins in our ecosystem, so I'd really like to squash that and encourage more objective rationality amongst speculators (if possible but I am not going to appoint myself as the altcoin police again).

Your error is you don't seem to deeply understand Chaos theory (although I presume you at least understand it superficially or definitionally). You don't seem to understand that a total perspective on information is always contingent on the future outcomes (i.e. to distinguish information from noise requires understanding the future outcomes to which the current body of entropy will be applied) and due to the Butterfly effect then you will egregiously underestimate the possible permutations of outcomes. That is why it is incalculable. And this is also the reason that the network is the vastly greater portion of the entropy and why it is itself also alive. If we had more time and inclination, we could elucidate this more formally.

cha·os the·o·ry
noun
the branch of mathematics that deals with complex systems whose behavior is highly sensitive to slight changes in conditions, so that small alterations can give rise to strikingly great consequences.

Let's use the equation for Pi as an example. We can communicate all of the digits of Pi by simply sending the equation for it. So it seems the entropy is very low in isolation. Now let's introduce a network of actors which respond to input by computing from Nth digit as a function of the input and their prior state, plus the unbounded nondeterminism of the communication latency across the network. Now you have unbounded entropy. That is Chaos theory. The entropy is incalculable and unbounded because it is alive. This is why top-down control always fails. This is the why the free market anneals better because the decisions are made by actors closer to their local gradients.

P.S. another problem is it is very likely that the Singularity has become an ideological cause or religion for you. You've likely invested a lot into it being true. So it not being true is going to be a big blow.