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Board Scam Accusations
Re: Dzeros has been found, funds locked, how should we proceed?
by
bdonlan
on 10/03/2017, 09:30:17 UTC
If it can be deciphered as to who has been defrauded and by how much then IMO the money belongs to his victims.

I am not sure how I feel about the seizing of his assets though. Maybe Australian law enforcement should be contacted and give them an opportunity to serve you with a seizure notice of Volpe's assets.

Out of curiosity, did you hack the account you are using? I don't think you are the original owner of the account.
No, I bought this account years ago, and I can provide proof of this.

I am more than happy to provide blockchain evidence of my "schemes" that I ran and the amounts that were taken. I want to be very clear that I had all intentions of repaying, as obviously my information being posted publicly is not something I want permanently, or at least without being rectified that I have straightened out the situation, despite that I did in fact state the risks in every one of the schemes that were made.

Quickseller or alex, if you are interested in discussing privately, I'm more than happy to come to an agreement.
First of all, you were running outright scams, not schemes. You were outright lying about what you were doing with "investors'" money and as a result were defrauding them. [A] For example, you were claiming that btc sent to bitcoin-stocks was being "moved to all of our revenue sources and in the meantime, produce your interest and increased revenue for the site" which was not accurate, IIRC you had told me that you used this money to gamble on (ironically) bitdice, and IIRC you lost the last of the money from this site with 5BTC bets on 3x rolls.

If you truly had intentions of repaying what you stole, then I would think you would have done it by now, prior to your information being posted for over a year. If you seriously want to use a portion of this money to repay what you stole, and can provide me with a list of addresses that received BTC as part of your schemes scams, then I can review the blockchain and either repay what was stolen on your behalf or confirm the addresses and amounts to be repaid for you -- this would be very time consuming and would not be willing to do this for free though, and if I was the one signing the tx to repay the stolen money, then I would need you to agree to certain procedures. I don't think the 38BTC would be sufficient to to repay everything though, although it might be fair to repay only 1/2 or 1/3 of what was stolen considering the rise in price of BTC since the money was stolen. [C]

In regards to what I believe that alex should do, it is my understanding that he incurred some costs when his account was hacked (I would consider the amount he was extorted to be a cost, even if he did not actually make the payment), [D]and this should be deducted from Volpe's account balance. It is also my understanding that other people received similar phishing links from Volpe on bitdice [E] -- I would suggest that Alex determine if it can be reasonably concluded that other people had money stolen as a result of this, and if so, to deduct Volpe's balance for this amount to reimburse those who lost money because of this. After doing the above, Alex should either return the balance to Volpe, hold the BTC until he receives a court order to remit the BTC to a court that can determine ownership of the btc (presumably to Volpe's victims) or repay his victims yourself. I don't think it would be appropriate to give his winnings to your investors, unless you can find evidence of cheating and/or prior knowledge of the seed. [F]

I would however say that Alex tell Volpe that after the withdrawal is processed that he is no longer welcome at any of Alex's sites, and that if Volpe deposits any money to any of Alex's sites, then such money will be confiscated. This way James will know in advance what will happen if he tries to play at bitdice, and this question will not need to be asked next time. [G]

I don't think there is any harm in minor delays in processing withdrawals, nor asking the community these kinds of questions. [H]

James -- you very clearly have a serious gambling problem, and you really should seek treatment for this. Your problem has caused you to resort to staling large amounts of money from others. If you continue down this path, you are only going to cause more damage to yourself, and your relationships.



A. Sit there and call them scams all you wish, the matter of the fact is I made huge efforts to make sure the ToS protected me from any accusations like you have placed on me. All terms of services state the risk of loss, that representation of information on site can be modified and are not always accurate, and so forth. Basically after you read through, in summary, it says you may lose and if you do, there is nothing you can do about it. I made VERY sure of this when I created these games, I promoted them in the gambling/games section, yet you still call them scams and fraud? I did not run a cloud mining scheme guaranteeing profit, I created investor based games with the theme of trading as most HYIPs do, and I posted all risks in the ToS, again, as all HYIPs do.

B. As you said accumulating such an amount (especially after the huge spike in price, at the time of scams prices ranged from 300-500USD...price is now 1.2k) is not easy, and of course, I have a lot of debt outside of here I have been settling. Refunding people who failed to read the Terms of Service are lower priority than the people who I keep in contact with and promise returns in my legitimate ventures. As for your "solution", I would not trust you with a sent of my money. You tried to extort me 100BTC and I have proof of that to when you originally found my dox, and now you think I am going to trust you with 38BTC? You can't even successfully escrow a transaction with your alt accounts and yet you think you are the right person to manage the repayments... and even funnier, you want a fee for doing blockchain searching? Get a grip. I don't know what has happened to you this past few years but you get even more deluded every time I see a new post. 

C. You have over inflated this amount so much and base it off of winnings from Just-Dice and BitDice. The "100BTC" claim you made in my original investigation thread is very out of proportion, and I still have no idea where you got that figure from. There is no proof behind it, you keep pulling that figure from who knows where.

D. I don't believe any financial damage was caused. Though, if you think so, then deduct the "0.5BTC" that I attempted to extort from the balance, if that helps you sleep at night.

E. No one was financially effected from those links, they are never created intended on stealing and if they were I did not take part in it. Like I said, the group that originally made the link was out for you quickseller, and that's how I got a hold of it. Anyone who had the link could use it, all user/pw's were posted to /pass.txt on the same URL that was passed.

F. Go ahead and make a court order, stealing 38BTC I rightfully won is a crime in itself, and I can assure all of those funds are from legitimate sources. So if alex wants to go ahead and dig his own grave in court, by all means. I have more than sufficient proof for all of my actions in the past ESPECIALLY the investor based games. Every single site I have archived, every single blockchain movement and address ever used I have the private key, I can prove every single action and prove my statements regarding the Terms of Service as well as all of my other actions and financial movements. It's been 2 years and my information has been public quickseller, don't you think someone would have pursued me by now if they have really committed a crime?

G. If that was stated to me in the first place, I would have never touched BitDice. I mean it was never a problem for alex when I was 8BTC down on his website, but now I am 15BTC up and all of a sudden he's realised I am dzeros (after making no efforts to hide this fact) and wants to freeze my funds and confiscate them to bitdice investors. Coincidental is it not?

H. With the ETF decision coming up this is terrible timing for freezing anyones bitcoin or crypto currency assets for that matter. So yes, there is a harm. Asking community questions? Sure go ahead, anyone with half a brain and who can read can realize that you have a vendetta against me Quickseller, the only thing you've achieved from your original investigations thread was your buddies saying good job. Besides that, all I've received are death threat phone calls, text messages, and attempts of deformation which I will hold you responsible for as soon as some bright spark releases your personal information. I hope you realize that your actions will come back to get you as well, you are not mr innocent here, you are far from it. Not to mention the constant deformation attempts on this forum, don't even get me started. (and all archived, by the way)

I. Again, "Stealing" is the wrong word to use. Even deceiving would be wrong, because again, I stated very clearly loss is probable, anyone who lost money to me were aware that this was possible before they used any of the investor based games I created.