Quote from: Lauda on March 11, 2017, 04:49:34 PM

Quote from: AngryDwarf on March 11, 2017, 02:14:22 PM

And that 4MB is 1MB of transactional data space, and 3MB of segwit data space, the latter of which is mostly reserved for future use.

So don't mislead others into thinking that all of a sudden we will get a 4 fold increase in transactional capacity. We won't.

In theory you can get up to 14 TPS with Segwit. However, with realistic usage that is not the case (similarly with the current network having a theoretical capacity of 7 TPS). Segwit will definitely deliver >2 MB according to the latest usage patterns.

emphasis >2mb
> (should be UPTO, but your saying more than) but only if 100% segwit key use to get 2mb
dont down play it that nothing needs to be done by users to attain the 2mb..
also factoring in native spam and users not using sgwit keys. the entire baseblock wont be 100% segwit users meaning not attaining 2mb
EG
imagine there were 4500 users. so far they argue over blocksize that can only fit ~2250
even if 4499 users moved to segwit.
1 users can make 2249 NATIVE transactions. meaning only 1 segwit transaction gets in. so the 'blocksize. only becomes 1.000444

Quote from: Lauda on March 11, 2017, 04:49:34 PM

Quote from: franky1 on March 11, 2017, 01:26:03 PM

segwit is not the compromise

It is.

lauda: compromise meaning lost, sold out, victim 'you left your password on girlfriends phone, now your funds are compromised'
community: compromise meaning agreed reduced level

segwit is not an agreed reduced level. its a risk of screwing many over for the fortunes of the corporate elite

Quote from: Lauda on March 11, 2017, 04:49:34 PM

Quote from: franky1 on March 11, 2017, 01:26:03 PM

activating segwit solves nothing.

It does.

go on PROVE IT!! explain it

Quote from: Lauda on March 11, 2017, 04:49:34 PM

Quote from: franky1 on March 11, 2017, 01:26:03 PM

because even after activation segwit will still be contending against native key users

Nobody cares. You can't DOS the network with "native" keys post Segwit.

you can.
native keys still work after segwit activates. otherwise 16mill coins are locked and unspendable!!

Quote from: Lauda on March 11, 2017, 04:49:34 PM

Quote from: franky1 on March 11, 2017, 01:26:03 PM

segwit also turns into a 2 tier network of upstream 'filters' and downstream nodes. rather than a equal network of nodes that all agree on the same thing.

This is only the case if the majority of nodes don't support Segwit. Ironically to your statement, the big majority is in favor of Segwit.

segwit activates by pool only.
meaning(if all pools were equal for simple explanation)
19 out of 20 pools activate it.
1 pool gets disreguarded.
but then the node count turns to
~3000 upstream full validation UPSTREAM filters.
and
3000 hodgepodge of downstream nodes that dont fully validate, may have witness may not have, may be prunned may not be.

which the upstream nodes wont sync from but "could" filter to (if they were not banlist biased)