Quote from: manselr on March 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM

You guys need to stop worrying. Pretty much EVERYONE is working at 60-70% capacity in modern capitalist society and that is what you are talking about. Working all day in a job you dont like its tiring. Everyone around me is sluggish, including myself. Life is a constant struggle except for the rich enjoying their wealth in a constant vacation, the few that don't have problems have elite genetics.
The only thing we can aim to is to get rich to have a more relaxed lifestyle but that's really hard....

The current order of the world is fracturing.

We were promised a Utopian, socialist dream and now people are starting to realize that you'd have to be asleep to believe it.

Possibly we can actually do something about that. We can at least set lofty goals can't we? I was trying to compose some internal notes tonight about project plans:

Quote from: internal notes draft

Coming back to this some months later, I will now add some details.

The blockchain is now named OpenShare (domain opensha.re) which has been publicly well received. Xxxxx (domain xxxxx.us) remains a good potential name for one of the public facing apps that will run on and be the public face of the project to the masses.

We need a way to motivate others to develop apps for the system as well as to motivate users to join and use the system, because we know we can't possibly scale up this thing doing all the development and marketing by ourselves. And we'd like to provide so many money making and development flexibility opportunities for others to minimize the jealously and power struggles that occur in the cryptocurrency sphere. Sufficient adoption inertia by both devs and users can minimize the viability of threats from copycoins and hardforks. In the whitepaper, I even mentioned the technical design facets such decentralized introduction of new data formats and separately smart contracts merged-mined isolated from each others' state machines.

By [redacted], we can fund four class of actors involved in ecosystem promotion, marketing, and development:

1. Developers of apps which attract the users.
2. Power users who [redacted]
3. Providers of content which attract the users.
4. [redacted]

...

So the idea is we can grow the marketcap ranking on Coinmarketcap.com, fund developers, content providers, and power users ...

...

But even in this paradigm I have proposed, the app developers have full autonomy! And let a 1000 apps bloom! They don't need to do an ICO to raise funds! They don't have to incriminate themselves! Now finally app development can go mainstream.

Quote from: iamnotback on March 20, 2017, 06:38:40 PM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on March 20, 2017, 01:28:45 PM

I don't see why would anybody use Ethereum instead of Bitcoin.

Because you can build all the experimental smart contract ICO tokenized apps on ETH. So many of them in the pipeline now. Ethereum is possibly winning the race for developer mindshare.

Right now we claim that none of these apps will ever get any real world adoption, but we forget the speculators are the users. And now the developers are the users. Programmers matter A LOT.

I don't think Ethereum's technical design and ICO model is the best possible one, but there is nothing shipping now (or about to ship this month) which is unarguably better in app developer mindshare.

Who is in second place? Bitcoin or Steem?

And one or more of those ETH apps may end up causing a mania again. May not happen, but the chance of happening is one of the reasons to hold ETH.

Quote from: iamnotback on March 20, 2017, 06:19:43 PM

Re: BitBay Decentralized Marketplace. Discussion.

I like Zimbeck. He appears to have very high ethics.

But (at least in terms of adoption by app users) I am betting against apps with their own tokens running by themselves as a viable model (but as you know I am biased as I am working on an app platform project). You've got to be part of something bigger such as an app store in order to get economies-of-scale.

But he can try making Bitbay an app on platform with many apps and more economies-of-scale.

I might be incorrect in my understanding and expectation. Let's see what transpires. Just adding my opinion here. (I hedged against my own project by diversifying a little bit of BTC into ETH which is an ICO app platform)

Also it seems projects are more about speculator delusion than actual user adoption (unless speculators trading are considered the users).

Quote from: iamnotback on March 21, 2017, 10:52:16 AM

@dinofelis, I don't want to get into another debate with you right now, but I intend to prove with a real project that you are conflating a BDFL with decentralization of the four classes of actors. You are stuck on this theme that decentralization is only useful for dark markets and I intend to prove that the mainstream of society needs decentralization. The Internet is decentralization. I posit that Google and Facebook are about to be disrupted. Expending too much time and effort on words isn't as useful as working to make a real experiment. Btw, I do agree the ideal is that influence/power of the BDFL should wane and the paradigm should run decentralized autonomously and I think this may be possible. But all the scaling issues have to be worked out. Satoshi added the 1MB limit after he had already released Bitcoin. He hadn't worked out of all the scaling issues. His work was incomplete.