Quote from: iamnotback on March 22, 2017, 12:10:58 PM

Quote from: Xester on March 22, 2017, 12:02:50 PM

I would like to choose the second selection about bitcoin core. But before I will vote I wan to clarify the third choice and the fourth choice. I didnt get the meaning of it. Though I clearly understand the first and second option since it was obvious but I didnt see the relation of the third option and fourth option to number 1 and 2 items.

The reason an altcoin choice is there, is because once you understand that there is no possible decentralization solution for PoW, then you will realize that there is no choice for Bitcoin which isn't a cartel. So the only decentralization choice is to diversify into other tokens (i.e. voting by moving away from the token which is cartelized already). It sucks. I don't like it. But the facts are the facts.

The reason I refer to the Dash altcoin as being a cartel controlled by Evan, its instamine my-stake creator, is covered in great detail in the Altcoin Discussion forum. It is probably the most non-aggregate, cartelized coin in the Top 10 by phony marketcap. And Roger Ver who is behind BU recently aligned himself with the alleged Dash "scam". If you aren't familiar with the reason that Evan Inc allegedly controls 80+% of the money supply via the mastercode design, then you need to find the relevant discussion over there. I don't feel like digging for a link. Maybe someone else can post one. Again I write "alleged" so it is better you go read the very compelling facts of the case yourself. I'm motivated to point out that Roger Ver might have been pumping Dash as a short against Bitcoin because he knew the BU attack was coming with his full support. Then he spreads a lot of incorrect technological (FUD) argumentation in YouTube. In short, where there is honey, there are flies.

Roger Ver the former Bitcoin Jesus is now giving Bitcoin maximalists a religious experience on the value of altcoins. Some said he is now the Bitcoin AntiChrist. Lol.

I am not trying to discuss altcoins here, but the damn fight between BTU and BTC is practically forcing us to! Damn it!

Someone should email roger this and also anything on the stephen dai debacle. Perhaps he really isn't doing any DD before aligning himself with these kind of projects. Don't get rogered.

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

This guy spends the next 2 years pretending there was no instamine at all lol

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about ~~13M$ now~~ WAY MORE NOW DO YOUR OWN CALC) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

SCAM = unfair and dishonest scheme = dash

This latest defence is so strange. Where are the victims ? what are you talking about it is there in black and white.

1. everyone who was told it was a fair launch LIKE ALL THE OTHER LAUNCHES AT THE TIME. - then prevented from mining fairly = scammed
2. everyone who was told there would be much more opportunity to mine ( then that got slashed by 75%) - prevented from mining the coins that were then taken away = scammed.

here are your victims.

3. everyone buying now thinking dash can go somewhere not knowing the scam it is will forever hold it back = being scammed.

Every dasher on here trying to scam others into supporting your scam = scammers.

I will be updating my scammers thread to add all of your names to it.

Denying a scam after it is proven time and time again to you in black and white = scam enabler and defender = scammer.

Threads examining the evidence of the captive instamine and reduction of the minting to magnify such instamining ...PROOF OF SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999084.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0