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I don't see Group-buying making any sense because of 15$.
Anyway, the high rate of carelessness, the never existed first presale, and the risen deposit starts making me suspiciuous.

You know I loved the b1 and I wanted to test the b3

but you and I may have the same concern here.

I think I'll pass on the B3.

Good luck to all buying.

Hi Phil,

What is the concern about the B3?

Reliability, or earlier posts about scratched units etc?

Or just no B3's reviewed yet?

EDIT: Or they just want our BTC and we get nothing ? lol

Behavior of past companies is the reason for concern.

Example:

1st Production Run: A company gets a big business loan - R&D a prodct, Deliver a 1st run product that everyone is excited about. The company then depletes business operating funds after the 1st production run.
2nd Production Run: Company displays some fancy CAD designs for the 2nd generation product. Require everyone deposit money upfront. People drop boat loads of cash for hundreds or thousands of units. Company fails or disappears and never delivers the products

I'm not saying that's what is happening here but this type of business model/operation has been seen multiple times and many people have lost out significantly.

I'm ok with putting money down if I can see a physically working product in video and someone has one in their hands to review. This tells me they have enough capital to actually produce the product with the money I deposit on it.

if all they can produce is CAD images of a product it's cause for concern when the company operates in a country where you have no control if they just walk away with your money.

So for me, unless I can pay with a credit card which gives me some security of ZERO fraud liability on my part, I'll likely pass as well on a pre-order until I see units actually being produced.

Some people have money to buy into high risk endeavors, I'm not one of them.

yeah and in my case expansion from 12 gpus to 21 would take me 1 -3 days getting 9 cards

with a cc and added protection at same cost.

9x rx 480 8gbs vs 8x rx 470 4gbs

see cards I could order and idle mobos waiting for cards .

GPUS will hold thier value far more than these miners if the altcoin market was to crash, you can sell your GPU's slowly over several moths for a good part of your purchase price,
its easier to sell with the orginal box and acsessories. Panda miner is fine but its far more risky being pre-order on top of that that just building your own rigs