Quote from: MatTheCat on April 13, 2013, 10:20:05 PM

Quote from: FreeBit on April 13, 2013, 09:55:29 PM

I am simply fed up of all that german bashing. Including all the germans bashing themselves into a hypnotic trance of guilt submission. That's the worst.

It never ceases to disappoint me, that Germans have a complete lack of an ability to appreciate the comedic potential of Hitler and the Nazis like we Brits do.

The level of self imposed guilt and repression is no way to deal with any traumatic past event, whether it be on a personal level or on a societal level. Whilst most Germans will tell you that this is a good thing because it ensures that such a movement can never happen again in Germany, I suspect the opposite may more likely be the case. Somewhere buried deep in the German psyche, is a knowledge that the eruption of the Nazi movement into mainstream German life happened for a reason, and so long as this cannot be acknowledged and the spiritual scars truly healed, then this conflict within the individual and collective unconscious will seek to resolve itself and will knock persistently against the doors of the conscious mind, perhaps one day breaking out and overcompensating into a re-embracement of much of the emotional and mental expression that was embodied in the Nazi ideology. This might especially be the case should the German economy suffer in the same way that the southern Med countries economies are going to suffer which will erode the material glue which is presently all that holds Western civilisation together.

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Having thought more about the matter. Perhaps one of the effects of the ever increasing multiculturalism of Germany, is that the effects of the collective spiritual volatility of the longer established native Germans, will be diluted. As people who haven't inherited the same spiritual tensions will not relate and react as readily to any outward expression of such tensions. Thus acting as a kind of resistance to any mass cultural expression (positive or negative) that might be triggered from within the native collective unconscious. Having said that, If the different cultures in Germany remain as segregated as say the Turks are from the native Germans, then obviously this could have a very negative effect on what may transpire once the wealth stops rolling in. This applies not to Germany, but perhaps the whole of Western Europe. I sometimes wonder whether the Muslim minorities that are being allowed to establish themselves throughout the West are not being set up as the scapegoats for the outbreak of social angst which may be yet to come.

imo complete bullshit and a sight of germany that is from the late 90s.
I'm german and the multiculturalism has changed in the last decade for good.
Main problem in germany in the past was that every minority that came from other countrys to work here were mainly rural people that had much more tendencies to stay in their communities than people from bigger cities which pushed the segregation. that given and the problem of a more right than centered government for longer than 10 years (which made politics not in favor of multiculturalism) the reunion of germany build a vaccuum, because eastgermans haven't even met foreign people in their life, but for russians and people from exsovietunion states.
as a result many eastgermans got right-wing tendencies which peaked in an assault of a hostel for asylum seekers in rostock-lichtenhagen 1992.
after that the masses woke up and up to now every march of right-wing extremist in citys is accompanied by huge counterdemonstrations.
The second generation of immigrants especially turks is integrated in german society much better because of growth of their middleclass.
At the moment we have problems both with small rightextremist (Nationalsocialist Underground has killed 23 immigrants) and muslim extremist groups (mainly salafis).
But these people represent less than 1% of german society. imo in every other country there are the same problems, in germany it is dealt even better with it because of our history. (although the authorities still need to evolve in that point)
The flood of immigrants since the crisis right now is immense (50.000 people per month mainly from greece and spain), but they all go to the big cities which evolved to huge melting pots, where the prejudices are not as big as in rural areas.
So to finish my history lesson everythings going relatively well and i really doubt that during a big crisis germans start bashing the immigrants.
The right-wing groups will get more attention for sure, as in every country when a society starts crumbling, but i doubt that things will happen like in greece where small groups start hunting immigrants through the streets. (ok if everythings shattered every society has these phenomenons. in great-britain extremists would probably start hunting pakistanis)
The main advantage of german society is its past because that pushes awareness much more earlier to fight xenophobia than in countries that don't have that history.

sorry big post here, but as a german hearing such stuff quite often from foreigners this is the only thing that pushes in me some tendencies to be proud for my country.
and imo hitler is quite funny (you knew he was on meth most of the time at the end?), we have lot of parody movies of him.
(by the way merkel is a big fat bitch)
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