Quote from: dinofelis on March 28, 2017, 12:17:05 PM

Quote from: IadixDev on March 28, 2017, 11:57:14 AM

Quote from: dinofelis on March 28, 2017, 04:25:42 AM

Quote from: IadixDev on March 27, 2017, 09:37:25 PM

Politics can be self seeking too Wink

government is not garantee of absence of self seeking behavior.

Uh. Government has only one reason of existence, and that IS selfishness. Since the first kings. What has evolved, is the way in which government convinces people that they are useful. The social lie is its cornerstone. There's no reason to be in government if it is not to be selfish. It is the violence monopolist that maximizes the profit it can take from that monopoly. Sometimes, however, you have idiots in power that don't estimate correctly the maximal burden a government can put on its people, and then you get revolutions or invasions.
Ideally, a government squeezes out maximally its population without destroying the illusion of its necessity or its unavoidability, which is what keeps it in place.
The ideal government is like the capable farmer that maximizes the profit he can take from his cattle (the governed people). And yes, for that, you don't have to be too mean with your cattle before slaughter, on the contrary, you have to "care" about it.

Government can have positive role in economy. The pb with free market is it tend to leave poor and under developped area poor and under developped.

But the idea that losers must be eliminated in a competitive system is not necessarily a bad one, if they cannot be put to good use. I consider life as a system that emerged as a competitive game to evolve towards something that will become a self-powerful system, ,that is, a self-concious universe, or will go down without reaching this final goal. I consider humanity to be a transitional species that allows life to "switch gear" and to go from the random Darwinian algorithm to self-constructing intelligence (machines). There's no room for "poor humans" in this transitional species, that is only here for the transition to self-designing machines, who will bring competition, improvement, warfare, joy and suffering to higher levels than was possible with biological systems.

The thing is the crteria upon which you will determine if an economic system or philosophy is good or not.

The pareton criteria seem to make sense to me, that at some point you need to see if the economic decision have a positive impact on society or not.

For the people who end up at the bottom of the food chain in the free market, there are many examples where free market actually worsen situation of some people, because of predatory mind set in grained in free market culture.

And this tendency of predatory free market to increase inequality always bring it to a point it's only benefitial to top 1%. And leave the bottom 60% without any developpement or resources.

And it's the point where people are looking for other solution than rigged game organized by financial predators.

After can say there is no room for the 60% of non predator, but it's the point where the whole food chain collapse.