Quote from: BluesBrother on April 16, 2013, 12:57:32 AM

First you say that you are the type of person who would want Bitcoins to stay the same and then that investing in them isn't a bad idea.

Read please.
(1) I said investing WITH bitcoins isn't a bad idea. Investing in a stable currency actually works better than investing with an inflationary currency. (2) Bitcoins are currently an investment not because they will be treated that way forever, but because they haven't gained the market cap they will if they are successful and thus each individual bitcoin will grow in value.

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Make up your mind.
Either your are the visionary who wants a new, free currecy and service or you are the person who sees bitcoins as an investment.

Or, you can be both?
Buy bitcoins early, wait for them to become a new, free currency that is accepted by all, and profit. (Profit not by selling them for USD, but profit by getting 100 BTC now for a lot cheaper in terms of goods and services than you would in the future.

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You're not adding liquidity to the market, you are witholding it. As if you were to put your money under your madrass, except that would be stupid in addition to bad for the economy.

Its a free market, I can do what I like. If I buy bitcoins now, I am providing the liquidity the seller needs to sell his bitcoins. If I hold my bitcoins, presumably I am not being an idiot and holding them for a reason, i.e, that they are undervalued. If I hold something that is undervalued, I help it reach its correct value sooner, thus helping the market. Thats sort of the whole reason markets exist.

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Corporations and nations have gold as a reserve currency and they spread the risk around with other currencies.

They think gold will be worth more than their currency in the future -> investment. You think they would buy gold if they thought it would be worth LESS in the future?

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They want the opposite of any change; stability.
If anything they want their home/base currency to rise compared to others.

Which is why they should be using bitcoin.

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So in most cases for example Switzerland would want the Suisse Franc to rise in comparison to the USD, Euro and even gold.

May I introduce you to what is known as the currency wars?

You have yet to provide one reason why Bitcoin is, as you say, "immoral." Unless you think it is immoral to try and make money, there is absolutely nothing immoral about bitcoin. Why? Because bitcoin, does the following:
-Provides a currency with a fixed (or close to fixed) supply.
-Provides security for this currency making it close to impossible for anybody to tamper with or even monitor unless you are either (a) stupid or (b) give your permission.
-Provides the ability for you to transfer this asset to anyone else in a manner that cannot be reversed.

There is simply no way this can be viewed in a negative light, aside from playing the "dictatorships are good" card, i.e, "The king is divine and as such knows better than everyone else so he controls you for your own good."