Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 10, 2017, 04:48:22 AM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 10, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

Yes, SegWit did get merged because the Core Devs agreed that is was worthy of
inclusion, but that doesn't mean it will be accepted, that is the community's choice.
That is what the miner's didn't understand at the HK meeting. The fact that SegWit
isn't already part of the protocol shows that the Core Devs during the HK meeting
were trying to be honest and reasonable. Devs are not all powerful. They can create
and propose, but if other devs, exchanges, miners, and users don't want that feature
it will not become the standard. In my opinion 2MB hardfork is more contentious in the
community than a SegWit softfork, but that is just my opinion. The expectations during

LOL that's a new low even for you.
Like you're just going to sit there with a straight face and ignore the fact that SegWit is stuck in the mud because Blockstream/Core thought they could fuck over both miners and nodes at the same time.
Blockstream ignored nodes and went softfork because they thought they got miners in their pockets, even though they already fucked them over with the 1MB, that's how arrogant Blockstream/Core were, that's what fucked them.

I can sit here with a straight face because I believe it. If I didn't then I would
be arguing for the opposite position. Your interpretation of events are too simplistic
to be reality. If it was then the reality is boring and people didn't try hard enough
to do as you claim. If it really was a conspiracy, you wouldn't ever see it coming.

SegWit was set to 95% miner Consensus which is very high.
They did this because they understood it needs to be a high threshold for multiple
different issues and for overall network safety. The fact that they placed it that high,
shows they are not just ramming it in.

SegWit softfork was a compromise of the two separate issues, tps increase and
retaining decentralization. If it doesn't go forward, it is because the community is not
ready for it or because certain miners are purposefully blocking it for their own self
interests that are not consistent with the interests of the community.

Core Developers didn't think they had miners in the pockets, they thought miners
were rational people who wanted security with value increase in the network. They
didn't think certain miners would risk the destruction of the network for simple 2MB.
That is illogical, and thus why people now think ASICBoost makes more sense. 2MB
bring no where near the amount of profit as ASICBoost 100 million USD extra profit
does.

If the miners are truly innocent, they are dumb for playing right into the
conspirators' hands. All they have to do it denounce ASICBoost and accept the patch.
Then they will eliminate their enemies, yet they do not. This is because they are not
innocent, but likely caught red handed. The miners are acting like bad politicians now.
Miners should make public statements as to their positions on a patch. Their silence
on this specific issue is telling and only fuels the communities doubts of them.

They are their own worse enemies. They do not seek correction, they double down.

Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 10, 2017, 04:48:22 AM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 10, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

That is why this is ridiculous because I'll let the experts prove me right or wrong.
But you were the one who was arguing there were no "facts". Which is backwards.
Either you are protecting Bitmain and Antpool, or you are just backwards here.

I am saying you talk a lot of shit but there were never anything to back it up.
After I bated you I now know for sure you're the kind of troll that looks into every detail trying to win an argument. But you just couldn't find any evidence to support your claims, that's why you had to play dumb all the time.
By the way, how does it actually feel to have to talk like a dumb fuck all the time, knowing everything that comes out of your mouth is bullshit and everyone else can see through it?
If I have to do that I'd probably quit within a week.

Every comment you say has some personal attack against me. That's a sign of a weak
argument and a bullshit artist. Looking into every detail is what people are supposed to
do. The fact that you consider that a negative aspect is bizarre to me. You are so simplistic
that your current statements contradict what it means to have critical thinking and
understanding.

In addition, your statements about me playing dumb: Where am I playing dumb? Has it
occurred to your little brain that I don't know everything, unlike how you conduct yourself,
and thus there are gaps in my full knowledge? I guess not since you are determined to
define me as a troll or something, so that your prior incorrect arguments could be salvaged
to be true to the ignorant reader. Your arguments only convey to those readers that you don't
really care about Bitcoin and the overall community, only your own interests and those of your
employers.

BTW, you just admitted that you are a paid shiller/troller, from your "I'd quite in a week"
if you had to "play the dumb fuck routine" comment. As I said before, no one can pay
enough to deal with you, I just do it to correct the record.

To any reader (which is not likely anymore) they can see I have not make any crazy claims.
My only major claim was to "wait till there is a proper investigation" before claiming there is
no ASICBoost issue here. But for some unknown reason, that is a threat or seen as inappropriate
to you and others, which only fuels that movement due to the defensive nature you take.

Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 10, 2017, 04:48:22 AM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 10, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

I looked online at twitter timezones and Githubs and according to my simple research,
twitter shows the time based on your timezone and GitHub is based on EDT. This means
that Jihan tweeted 1 hour and 21 minutes after chjj edited the Ext block code no matter
where you are in the world. That is all I was pointing out.

Everything you are writing now is irrelevant to your original posting to me. You claimed
that Jihan tweeted BEFORE chjj changed it as a blockstream conspiracy, when in fact, it
was the other way, which either means it is a Jihan conspiracy or just "coincidence".

I baited you, the edit was the bait, BIP-141 was the net, you still don't get it?
You're now trying to wiggle around by using the idiotic assumption that Jihan only learned about Extension Block the last minute and voiced its support immediately. That is, by making the assumption that the whole time since March, Jihan never learned about what Extension block was until the moment before he voiced his support.
But the bait was Extension Block had always been immune to ASICBoost. The github edit would throw you off because you're the kind of shill that play dumb and repeat bullshits, but secretly you're actually looking at all possible details for a rebuttal. That's how I exposed you as a paid shill.
You know exactly what bullshit you're talking about, you're intentionally talking like a dumb fuck all the time, because that's your job.
You don't have the technical understanding of BIP-141, that's why you fell for the edit. That is the long con you fell for, I gave you a detail you'd bite on, but once you bite on it, you're already inside the net.
The idea that a business man like Jihan wouldn't look over Extension Block at least a few times and think over it for a few days before voicing his support, is hilarious.
You've mistaken Jihan for some Blockstream troll where everything they say online is decided at the last minute, base on whatever they could see at the time.

Lol. I think this rant of yours is one of the better ones so far.

First, you told me you set a trap, then I "wiggled out" of it by proving your argument
wrong, and instead of admitting that and moving on, now you are saying you had a
secondary trap within the first trap, like this is the movie "Inception" or something, lol.
Now you can only explain your failures by saying I'm acting dumb and repeating bullshits
when in actuality all I did was showed your original conspiracy theory was based on incorrect
timeline information. You were wrong and now creating a misdirection. This is a clear tactic
not of someone with good faith.

You just keep doubling downing on falsehoods after falsehoods, and also with attacks on
myself to cover your own weak original argument. This is somewhat enjoyable because people
like you and hwat you are doing is proving to the community there are either a paid shill
campaign occurring or just a malicious intelligence agent causing confusion.

You have changed your original argument and can't admit that because you are a weak child
who needs to cover their flaws like a child who mistakenly shat their pants. Grow up and
admit that your Ext Block GitHub Conspiracy was proven wrong by one sentence from me.
Don't change the subject to how what a wonderful and rational businessman Jihan is and
how he thinks and what he did or did not do. You don't know jack shit about Jihan and if
you did its only because you are Jihan himself, or he pays you and tells you how to proceed.

Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 10, 2017, 04:48:22 AM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 10, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

I don't know the patent laws in China, but in the West a patent doesn't only protect the
selling of the idea in product form, but also prevents you from construction and use. If for
example, Bitmain did patent ASICBoost and had the full rights to it, no one else in the
world is technically allowed to build, use, or sell a chip that uses the same configuration
without a license from Bitmain, otherwise that is patent theft. Maybe some will or could
do it, but bitmain could attempt to find them liable and get damages from that company.

For other miners not to be found liable, they need to create a new ASICBoost configuration
that is different from Bitmain's version and no miners are going to invest in R&D for that now,
IMO. Either Jihan opens up the rights to all parties for free or we need to patch the protocol.

Or its possible there could be a wind-down agreement where Jihan can use it for the next 3
years as long as he halves the usage every 1 year, in agreement to accept SegWit unpatched
now. Then in 3 years we patch ASICboost and have SegWit. Of course, Jihan might like that,
but bigblockers will not since they never get their blocksize increase. But it is just an idea for
fun for negotiation purposes. Maybe something along these lines could be negotiated.

Irrelevant, putting patent in product helps win patent lawsuits, it's that simple.
The funny thing about you trolls is you guys keep assuming Jihan is the only guy on the planet who can build ASIC chips that use ASICBoost. Patent doesn't stop any nameless mining farm from building their own ASICBoost rigs, ASICBoost existed for years, anyone could have been using it for years. That's why this ASICBoost bullshit is just another obvious distraction.
If Blockstream/Core don't like ASICBoost, they should just change the fucking code.

No, your statement is incorrect, Patents are not to win but as a claim of ownership
and deterrent. If you willing violate the patent owner's rights or just unaware of them,
you are equally liable. Ignorance of the law is not a defense. You are ignoring whole
aspects of patent law and its different purposes, just to make your argument reflect
better upon ASICBoost patent holders. Patent holders not only created this legal issue,
but are also the only ones who can alleviate those legal issues.

I stated some patent theory and different possibles such as Jihan freely opening his patent
for any miner to use. Instead of agreeing with me, which you should have, you say I'm wrong
and think it is irrelevant. Then argue that miners should build their own chips, likely in
violation of those patent owners rights and patent laws. That is a joke. Next you are going
to argue that those miners should pay license fees to the ASICBoost patent holders, lol.

That will never happen not only for legal reasons but also because no non-ASICBoost miner
will do the R&D into this now or pay licensees fees. It is easier to patch this exploit and
everyone continues as is. Your suggestion overall creates a new paradigm within the Bitcoin
Mining community which condones cheating and exploiting the code as a new standard. Now
on one hand this is good since it helps discover exploitable aspects in mining that can be used
by attacking state actors, but if those discoveries are allowed to be the standard future mining
implementation, then that is bad for Bitcoin's future for many different reasons.
So it must be patched. If you are fine with that, then we can agree there.

Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 10, 2017, 04:48:22 AM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 10, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

I am not pinning everything on ASICBoost. It is just that it is an interesting puzzle piece
the community did not include in their mental equation as to why there is a stalemate.
When you add this ASICBoost element into it, things seem logical again.

It makes more sense that Jihan could block SegWit over an ASICBoost patch more than
truely wanting bigger blocks. Miners do not want bigger blocks. In the past, it took the Core
devs forever to get the miners to raise their soft caps. Weeks would go by and the miners
weren't paying attention. I think certain miners wanting bigger blocks now, is a myth.

Yeah, let's all just act like a bunch of dumb fuck again and just ignore the fact so many people is ditching SegWit because they are pissed at Blockstream/Core.
Let's all repeat ASICBoost in every paragraph and make accusations like a bunch of completely uninformed retards.

For the record, majority of the economies support SegWit and already implemented the
code into their systems. Majority of Exchanges and wallets are all waiting for the activation.
So, the only people who currently are "ditching" SegWit are the large miners who are holding
it hostage for certain "unknown" reasons. They want the community to think it is over a 2MB
HK Agreement which is too simplistic to take seriously. No normal person can believe that.

Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 10, 2017, 04:48:22 AM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on April 10, 2017, 04:00:15 AM

No one should listen to me.

This is the first time I am agreeing with you.

That's too bad because if you paid attention, you wouldn't have wasted your time trying to
fight someone who is probably one of the few real people in the community who stands by
Bitcoin for reasons that go beyond the lowly animalistic reasons. I think bitcoin will have
future importance that your brain has not anticipated yet. Bitcoin wasn't made for this century.
There is a higher purpose than just as a simple payment processor. That was trap you fell into.