Quote from: philipma1957 on April 17, 2017, 01:04:31 AM

Quote from: coke on April 17, 2017, 12:31:46 AM

You have several options.

* Pay the dev fee and use it at 100%
* Use a miner without devfee
* Use the commandline switch to disable the devfee and lose some % optimization
* Use a little transparent proxy to change the devfee destination to your own addresses.

I'll probably get a shitstorm for this, but I use option 4.
2% (or more) is just overkill. One-time fee, sure, but a constant 2%?! Hell no.

cK'

Don't blame you in the least,but maybe that why he thinks 2.5% or 2% is okay.

To me when zec came out and he made many versions all a little better I could stomach the high fee. Now that he does not make a new one every 10 days or so and the software has peaked. the 2.5/2.0% is too high.

Hey I have my angles I fast sell cards only 25-45 days old at an okay discount. this allows me say 10% profit per card.

Does not sound like much but 5 to 7 times in a year and one card nets 70% profit.

Hey this last part made me curious, if you don't mind telling me - why do you "fast sell" cards? Do you mean to say you buy a brand new GPU, mine it for 1 or 2 months then sell it used? Why? Some of the cards in my rigs are over a year old and have been mining 24/7 and some of them were used when I got them. Do you think it's worth all the buying and selling just to always have brand new cards? I just wondered what is the benefit you see in doing that? Do you gradually upgrade over time, in terms of what cards you are buying and re-selling? I'm also wondering who buys them? If I saw an ad for a used card that was 2 months old I would wonder what was wrong with the card. Are you doing this because you are dual mining with Claymore so you know you are frying the cards? I never dual mine because I can see how much it over-uses the GPUs resources - but I guess if you are dual mining with a new card every two months it isn't so dangerous, but I pity the people who buy your cards and find out that they will probably die within a year from the stress dual mining put them under.

I have sold some cards when they are no longer viable - like I sold a bunch of 280Xs because they used so much power (before anyone knew they could mine zec really well) - but I always find it such a pain in the butt to go on Ebay, wait for 10 days, etc. I think My cards have done ROI many times over because I was also lucky enough to trade a lot of the coins I've mined into Dash because Dash is so obviously the best one out there - and it's price is starting to reflect it's potential.... but I digress.

If you are using Claymore for Eth mining you can always invest the time to learn how to use sgminer-gm (at least for AMD cards) and you will get same or better hash-rate, lower power consumption (with the right tweaking) and no fee.

I don't think the fees are outrageous when the people who charge them provide the best miner (like if you want to mine ZEC/ZCL with Nvidia GPUs EWBF is probably best). I do agree though that if they stop innovating and providing extra value it becomes a bit much to keep demanding 2% or more. One reason I have used Claymore in the past is it's simplicity - it's very easy to use compared to some other miners. I have found sgminer-gm really great but pretty confusing.

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* Use a little transparent proxy to change the devfee destination to your own addresses.

I don't understand this at all but if you have the skills to use the software withgout paying I have no problem with that - Claymore is already making way more than is really reasonable from people who don't have those skills.