Quote from: dinofelis on April 18, 2017, 03:24:39 PM

But that can nevertheless mean a very high fee ! Imagine that the fee is 0.001 BTC, but that BTC is $1 000 000,- for the sake of argument. That would mean that you can't buy a thing that is worth less than $1000 with a bitcoin transaction ! You couldn't buy the then-equivalent of an i-phone with BTC, because it would cost 0.00012 BTC, and you'd have to spend 0.00022 BTC to buy it with a BTC transaction.
The only kind of stuff you'd start to be able to buy with a BTC transaction, is something like a car or so.

It would even hurt most people if they received their salaries in BTC, and had to pay half of the fee (other half for the employer). Would you like $500 less on your salary just for the payment ?

If fee is fixed at 0.001 BTC minimum, then yes we have a problem.
But if fee is fixed at particular %, in this case is (0.001 * 1000000) / 1000000 = 0.1%, then the fee for buying an i-phone will be 0.00000012, or 12 satoshis.

Quote from: dinofelis on April 18, 2017, 03:27:04 PM

Point is, they are doing that already with fiat and internet surveillance. Why give this tool to EVERYBODY ?
Because with bitcoin, everyone can track you, not just the "shadow elite" ; and their deeds will also be more visible. Why would they want that ? And hell, what would make all the individual ego trippers that make up the shadow elite, speak with one voice ?

Point is, fiat cannot be tracked and cannot properly enforce obedience.
Internet surveillance is surveillance, not tracking AND enforcing obedience.
Why give this tool to everybody? So that if you deal with me and you scam me, I will report you to the authority and the authority will blacklist your addresses and everyone having access to the blockchain will be smart enough not to deal with you next time.
You are literally locked out of the system/network.
You may say bitcoin is anonymous bla bla bla...... but hey, that's up to your understanding.
My understanding is that bitcoin will be the BEST surveillance system.
You really think we are all in favor of bitcoin because bitcoin is this good and that good eh?
That it is going to help us fight tyranny and banksters eh?
That it is going to transform this world and your life into something marvelous and wonderful eh?
That everything will finally be free once and for all eh?
Where were you back in 2009/2010 when bitcoin was as good as worthless and useless?
Did you have the same kind of ideal and hope that you have today?
No!
Bitcoin needs to have Mt. Gox, and need to have a skyrocketing price, and need the media shouting out loud about "Bitcoin!", and need to have agents running around the world giving speeches almost free of charge to anyone interested, and persuading, and having seminars, etc etc etc, to catch your attention, no?
Fuck all the liberty talk.