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Additionally, scientific evaluation of evolution, using probability math, shows that evolution is completely impossible. Cause and effect show that there is no random effect, randomness that would be necessary for mutations to exist as evolution. Irreducible complexity shows that critical stages of the evolution idea are missing, thereby moving evolution into the realm of never being able to be proven.

you really need to
1. educate yourself beyond your bubble of pious biblical fairy tale nonsense
2. read up on some real evolutionary science. your above statement shows your complete and utter ignorance of it.
but no surprise there.
and 3. jeezus dude...take a break from these troll fest threads once in awhile.
unless that is you don't mind being seen as rather obsessed

You sound kinda dense. In what way? Newton's 3rd Law is still a law. Just because there has been a bunch of theory that scientists try to use to destroy Newton's 3rd Law, doesn't mean they have succeeded at all.

Talk about educating one's self, you need to educate yourself that Newton's 3rd law upholds cause and effect, and that cause and effect exists in everything, and that there is not even one example of true randomness because of cause and effect, and that mutations are programmed into the universe because of this, and that there is not even one for-a-fact example of a beneficial mutation.

Regarding the idea of a living cell coming into being by the odds of nature simply falling into place in ways that make life, consider a simple, 200 element/molecule cell. What are the odds that these parts are going to fall into place in just the right way so that they would exist where they would have to exist for the cell to be alive. The odds are tremendously high against... so high that it impossible for it to happen.

But if it happened once, then the parts would have to be kicked into motion in just the right way for the cell to become alive. Another impossibility by the odds.

Even if this happened, the surrounding nature would destroy the life as instantly as the life appeared.

Now, if you want to get away from this idea by saying that evolution doesn't include abiogenesis, great. But, it is more improbable that a living cell, or other forms of life can gain atoms and molecules in the correct places so that they could change, simply by randomness. It simply isn't in the odds according to any probability math that we have that matches nature.

Besides. Even if we were talking about non-abiogenesis evolution, abiogenesis is so extremely impossible that it couldn't happen under any circumstances that we can almost imagine. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.0 for starters. Then research it, and you will find that I am right.

You have been played, son... you and all the people who think that evolution is possible or real. You've been suckered into an evolution religion. Scientists are getting rich off you jokers by getting grant money to continue experimenting, or by teaching evolution foolishness in universities. And you support it with your taxes.

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Oh Puddleduck...... you silly sausage.

You claim Newtons third law (cause and effect) upholds your evidence of a god........ however, you fail to answer who made your god?

You have never been able to answer this using the same laws with which you claim proves your own god, but instead apply your own assumptions. That is where you fail.

In order to proof A, you have to define what A is.

He does not even know what God is. Yet he is determined to 'prove it scientifically' that his undefined agent or entity exist.

Talk about a faulty logic.

God is a being Who is fantastically powerful. Yet from the scientific proof, He is simply defined as something undefinable. So God has been defined.

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So you can prove something that is undefinable. I think you can expect a call from Nobel Price committee anytime soon...

Take out your velvet suit and oil your Mossberg 500, you are going to Sweden. Yee-ya!!!

Okay. Let's see YOU define something that is so great that it acts on all the particles, energies, and dimensions of the universe, in the same way, but way better than, a pool shark manipulates the pool balls on a pool table during a game of pool. That is God.

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Most religious people identify God as the "God of the gaps". When they don't know something, when they see the complexity of the world they do not understand, they feel they need to explain it with something. That something (the unknown and the unexplained) becomes God. Now that is what pantheists do.

The Abramaic religions take this unknown concept further, assigning human qualities to it, adding moral codes and ethics, in some cases defining a whole legal system and create a religion. Creating a deity/entity/independent agent out of the 'unknown'.

The worst part is the moral, ethical and legal systems created based on the God concept (the gaps in our human knowledge). The end result is nonsense.

That is why Christian God ends up caring about what you wear, which testicles you touch, where you put your dick, what you eat and who you marry. Muslim God also cares how many times you pray, and which direction you are facing while you are praying. Not to mention his obsession with what women wear or who they talk to.

Atheists and agnostics leave the unknown, unknown. The only logical way to discover the unknown is to study it. Science has been proven as one of the best ways to learn about how the world works.
And in my opinion, it is the best way to unpeel the unknown like an onion, layer by layer. The 'God of the gaps' gets smaller and smaller as science makes new discoveries and proves its theories with direct observations.

Yet, God exists as has been shown by the scientific proof, and by nature. Just because people don't understand what God is, doesn't have anything to do with WHAT HE IS.

God, Himself, gave the Abrahamic people through Isaac, possible the best form of religion. The Abrahamic people through Ishmael contradict the good religion of Isaac. This is not deity creation. This is acknowledging the Deity in both the right way, and a wrong way.

God cares about everything, because He is intimately in contact with every subatomic particle and wave of energy through cause and effect, right from the beginning to the present.

Since science has proven that God exists, because scientists won't study it when they study everything else, shows that they are against God.

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