Quote from: GreenBits on April 29, 2017, 04:12:36 PM

Quote from: Bitbobb on April 29, 2017, 05:05:27 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on April 29, 2017, 04:52:41 AM

Quote from: Bitbobb on April 29, 2017, 04:10:26 AM

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And the answer to why Trump flipped the script is 2 parts. 1) exotic botanical s. 2) N. Blackmail.

His entire countenance, demeanor have changed the last few weeks. Some one told him who is really "boss" and MAGA is on hold. He does not look happy

It seems that way to me as well (though I can hardly stand to watch him any more) but wonder how much of that is a figment of my imagination.

I was hopeful that Trump was in a 'sweet spot' where he knew what he was up against and what he was going to need to do, but was also outside enough and careful enough to have no big-time dirt on him. In retrospect I think that some of the indications of this were fabricated, and as someone who was quite desperate to not have Clinton I was prone to be hopeful.

It now looks to me as though Trump's cover was so deep that most of the media themselves were fooled. To this day they are only coming to terms with their good fortunes. This would explain why the fear and loathing for Trump on the part of the mainstream media was so palpable. It really was real and they really were in a panic!

I considered the above possible (because it would be safer to keep the media in the dark lest they spill the beans) but unlikely because the differential between the skill level of the mainstream media hacks and those entities who were promoting the guy. In retrospect I now realize what a powerful positive the negativity on the mainstream media front was on me, and probably a lot of people.

Another fairly brilliant trick was to induce the mainstream progressive sheeple into making a big deal about anti-Trump stuff which was blatantly trivial and absurd. Easy enough to do and no surprise with modern methods and the idiots they are working with. The trick was that I spent all of my time arguing against these nothingburger assertions and being frustrated at not talking about some of the larger issues. Basically I (and I suspect a lot of others) spent the election tied up with pointless little nonsense while the important conceptual ideas gathered dust.

Yeah it is possible that those things happened. Maybe it is True Trump took a large payout from Rothschild and had a perfect script written for him. Along those lines a good question to ask ourselves might be when was the last time there were two evenly matched candidates? I want to believe that Trump was the maverick outsider...but I must settle for he is human and not satanic. That said, something changed several weeks ago...that cannot be denied. So, while the MSM praised Ivanka, and while Trump supporters are being whipsawwed into supporting a war so that greenbitz can tell us how it is based on opinion polls, homogenized reporting and mass hypnosis passing as infotainment...we must remember that most things have been weaponized and the people willing to exploit Trumps weakness have known what they are for a long time... wait for it... his family! He trusts anyone in his family. And Kushner and Bush (Kush) have known that for years. Ivanka was very young when she met him... if you go back and watch his 60 minutes interview he is drugged to the hilt with very subtle drugs that make the victim more agreeable.

I fell behind in the thread, been busy a bit. My apologies.

tvb has it right. The media, in general, did a terrible job this particular election. I'm no fan of Trump, but priori the election, the anti Trump media was too much. If Trump sneezed, it was an article on RawStory. Now, some of it was warranted. I get the pussy grab thing, I thought his chances were shot at that point. I'm still grappling intellectually with how old school, Reagan voting Rebuplicans could have helld their noses to click the switch, but I do get it. The alternative was simply unacceptable to some folks, I totally get that.

Now, I have less nefarious reasons for this. Profit. Where tvb, bit and I differ is attribution of intent. I see profit chasing from the corporations that control the media outlets, rather than an attempt to pay op the masses. I think the psy op happens, inadvertently, but the reason for the season is the money. America tuned in like it never tuned in before. And the media establishment profited. From CNN to Breitbart, people tuned in and clicked in to read the new hijinx everyday, multiple times a day, driving up those ad revenues to record levels for an election. Breitbart was selling fucking hats and shirts, if I recall. It engendered a wave of false patriotism that is saw in 2004 when Obama was elected. The fearmongering, which is really the most profitable industry here in the US, was on full display. Let me ask the community something, it took me a while to notice. When the last time you heard some shit about the Kaardashians? They uses to plaster those vapid bastards over the screen but constantly, they would be half of the clickbait. They would show up in my general news feeds as well as my business and art feeds.

Whens the last time you heard some shit about Caitlyn?

Exactly.

Maybe it's just me, but everything took a back seat to the election and the subsequent 100 days. This is all they report on now, or tangential shit that pushes a particular political ideology.

Now, let me contrast that with the fact that this is the most "unpresidented' presidency so far, at least here. There is indeed a lot to report on, on both sides, everything has been in rare form. But the obsession with Trump, it isn't like with Obama. Fox would shit on Obama, and constantly, but otherwise policy didn't make the news like it does today under Trump. People didn't give a fuck. Puff Daddy was dancing around in a cheap ass shirt telling us to 'Vote or Die'. It was Mad Max times.

But just like then, they were monetizing the voters. It's a cycle, really. Corporations and special interest groups make huge contributions to particular politicians and candidates, with the understanding that, if you make it, you will work towards making policy changes that benefit the master. This is the literal definition of politics nowadays. Ideology be damned. It cost money to be on TV, and you generally hope that someone doesn't come into the game with enough cash to fund themselves. They are probably corrupt.

And bit, I don't source anymore because I get tired of being told that a generally accepted news source is "fake". We are all intelligent, I simply need to point. If you need edification, search. That way, your opinions are your own. Due dullegencr is what I'm saying. Also, nothing changes if you don't believe me. I still have bills and shit.

Now, look at the hands that feed Trump. Or, if you perceive none, use my old trick, examine motivations through actions. The tax cuts, the health care, the immigration policy, the war mongering (i never want to see a war, but, if yoy are goung to pull the thing out, plan to bang) they serve to increase profits in certain sectors dramatically over the next 4 years. Respectively, corps that have incorporated globally to reduce tax footprint, the insurance industry, the private corporations that run the prisons, and the military contractors that make hardware. Research yourself, examine the campaign contributions from these particular industries, and the interactions between lobbying arms or the corps, and Trumps people. It's very interesting. And when you you are done perusing that, look at how those companies are doing as we speak, vs the rest of the market. Again, quite interesting.

Also, see what you can find on Trump, Trump Towers, and Russian investment, specifically from mafia figures. Nothing important, this is all in the past, but check it out when you can. It ties back into his claim of surveillance by Obama, and it's all very interesting.

Then look at Trump Towers, and some of the very questionable people that have invested in said properties. Oft, they come from despot govs, or are criminally affiliated in an old money/big way.

Which leads me to my final point, something to ponder. Have you considered the role of the drug cartels, the truly large ones, in the political lobbying process? If corps have learned they can buy their policies into being, what would a business do, with no governmental oversight? That's what I think happened here. Russian criminal families (the money is soo much more interesting the the 13 families), the criminal families from all over the globe, they are the new 'Illuminati'. Trump found a novel set of masters, ones we can't percieve so easily.

You bring up interesting points to consider but without any starting point I have no way to run down any of your claims to confirm if this new set of masters is true as you say regarding Trump... I will beg for any scrap of citation especially about the new set of masters as you put it! Please sir I beg you post 1 cite on that so I have somewhere to start.

And yes I have considered many of the other things. But I am only interested in verifiable fact.