Quote from: Spendulus on April 29, 2017, 12:14:09 PM

Quote from: farl2web on April 29, 2017, 04:14:19 AM

Who would not say anything, but the Jews know how to live and build their country. Despite years of conflict with their neighbors, they are like outcasts all over the world and yet their standard of living is much better than in many countries around the world.

One of the big lies is that the Great Powers created the nation state of Israel. The United Nations did with a two thirds majority vote. The Arab nations were united in opposition.

Even though the proposal included steps for the creation of a Palestinian state, that didn't matter. They couldn't stand the idea of a Jewish state. It's not a matter of equal for the two sides, they have to have it all and have the Jews have nothing. That's the way they were, and that's the way they are.

Hence a Palestinian "leader," Yassir Arafat, with over 400 terrorist bombings and atrocities to his credit. Hence today, 10% of the Palestinian Authority toward terrorist support. Hence today, massive propaganda, including the initial premises of this thread.

The reality is

1) Jews paid a huge price in WWII, then some Jews, the Zionists, capitalized on the price other Jews had paid, by using the holocaust to maneuver their way to a political state.

2) Jews were heavily discriminated against in Europe pre WWII. Nobody questions that. Europe was not safe for Jews. Some people can argue that "Jews did this" or "Jews did that", but truthfully Judaism is a developed tradition with an acceptable morality so broad criticism of Jews to justify their restriction in a society is not valid unless the same restrictions apply to others. The evidence is more that Jews, like other groups that integrate, must first open themselves to projection from the first inhabitants, they must first be the shadow or villain, before they can incorporate.

3) Nonsense about "their were no people in Palestine pre zionist" or "there were no Palestinians" does not work in favor of that incorporation. It creates a false concept that is harmful not only to Jews but to others. Similarly skewed nonsense like your reference to '400 terrorist bombings' are not wise.