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Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2017, 08:17:51 PM

When they believe in something that they do not know is truth and fact, they have religion.

Cool

Finally, you agree that religion isn't truth and fact.

Well done little fella, you are growing up!

Religion is all faith.... no truth!

Stats you are not understanding what BADecker is saying here. He is simply highlighting the fact that many of the worshippers of "Science" with a capital S are members of a religion even if they do not acknowledge it.

Here is an article from Dr. Jeremy Samuel Faust is an emergency medicine physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston that highlights this issues.

Hive-Mind Worship Of "Science" At The March For Science
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/04/the_march_for_science_was_eerily_religious.html

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Hundreds of thousands of self-professed science supporters turned out to over 600 iterations of the March for Science around the world this weekend. Thanks to the app Periscope, I attended half a dozen of them from the comfort of my apartment, thereby assiduously minimizing my carbon footprint.

Mainly, these marches appeared to be a pleasant excuse for liberals to write some really bad (and, OK, some truly superb) puns, and put them on cardboard signs. There were also some nicely stated slogans that roused support for important concepts such as reason and data and many that decried the defunding of scientific research and ignorance-driven policy.

But heres the problem: Little of what I observed dissuades me from my baseline belief that, even among the sanctimonious elite who want to own science (and pwn anyone who questions it), most people have no idea how science actually works. The scientific method itself is already under constant attack from within the scientific community itself and is ceaselessly undermined by its so-called supporters, including during marches like those on Saturday. In the long run, such demonstrations will do little to resolve the myriad problems science faces and instead could continue to undermine our efforts to use science accurately and productively.

Lets start with my contention that most pro-science demonstrators have no idea what they were demonstrating about. Being pro-science has become a bizarre cultural phenomenon in which liberals (and other members of the cultural elite) engage in public displays of self-reckoned intelligence as a kind of performance art, while demonstrating zero evidence to justify it. On any given day, many of my most woke friends are quick to post and retweet viral content about the latest on what Science (and Im capitalizing this on purpose) says, or what some studies prove. But on closer look, much of what gets shared and bandied about is sheer bullshit and is diagnostic of one thing only: The state of science (and science literacy) in this country, and most of the planet for that matter, is woefully bad.

For example, the blog IFLScience (IFL stands for I f---ing love) seems singularly committed to undermining legitimately good science half the time, while promoting it the other halfwhich, scientifically speaking, is a problem. Heres a neat one that relays news about a study that suggested that beer hops may protect against liver disease. Ill be sure to mention that to the next alcoholic with hepatitis and cirrhosis that I treat. To date that article has been shared 41,600 times. Very few of those readers, I should mention, were mice, though the research was carried out in, you guessed it, mice. (And of course, this type of coverage is not refined to cleverly named blogs.)

Thats not to say plans to cut back funding for research are wise (though so far most of those plans seem contained to a meaningless budget proposal). Nor should we tolerate it when our policies are poised to undercut genuine scientific expertise for politically expedient purposes...

But there is very little indication that what happened on Saturday will counter these misconceptions. Instead, the march revealed the glaring dissonance of opposing that trough of ignorance by instead accepting a cringe-worthy hive-mind mentality that celebrates Science as a vague but wonderful entity, what Richard Feynman called cargo cult science. There was an uncomfortable dronelike fealty to the conceptan oxymoronic faith that information presented and packaged to us as Science need not be further scrutinized before being smugly celebrated en masse. That is not intellectually rigorous thoughtinstead, its another kind of religion, and it is perhaps as terrifying as the thing it is trying to fight.

Lets face it: People like science when it supports their views. I see this every day. When patients ask me for antibiotics to treat their common colds, I tell them that decades of science and research, let alone a basic understanding of microbiology, shows that antibiotics dont work for cold viruses. Trust me, people dont care. They have gotten antibiotics for their colds in the past, and, lo, they got better. (The human immune system, while a bit slower and clunkier than wed like it to be, never seems to get the credit it deserves in these little anecdotal stories.) Who needs science when you have something mightierpersonal experience?

Sadly this worship of "Science" is sometimes accompanied by a rejection of faith and God. This replaces one religion with a far inferior substitute and is probably very bad for your health.

The main propose of this thread is to highlight what science (with a lower case s) tells us about the relationship between health and religion.

Not what his words say.

Sorry try again.

I do find it funny how you understand the riddle language of BADecker.

I figured you to be more intelligent that that.