Quote from: dykast on April 20, 2013, 01:15:40 AM

Quote from: k9quaint on April 20, 2013, 12:42:22 AM

Quote from: dykast on April 19, 2013, 11:10:53 PM

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Prototyping serves to provide specifications for a real, working system rather than a theoretical one."

I would say the video shows a working prototype in every sense of the definition if we are going by what normal people think is a prototype. Stop spreading FUD.

There are a lot of things that BFL has done wrong but some of your guys go so overboard it borders on insanity. Do the community a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Let us assume the video was not a total sham like other PR from BFL (pictures, ship dates, specifications, etc).

If the video showed a working prototype, they would manufacture to those specifications. They would certainly not say "when we get the new board our power problems should be fixed". The video purported to show a prototype that still needs more work. This is the admission of the BFL representative speaking in the video. They are still in the prototyping phase. They have been in this phase for 10 months. Until they actually manufacture product and ship it they will still be in the prototyping phase. Anyone can SHA-256 once, the challenge is doing it fast, cheaply, for long periods, in volume, and for a low price. They have not demonstrated a prototype of a product that can do this yet. When they show a video and say "ok, this is it, we don't have to make any more changes and our partners are doing a large volume chip run followed by a large volume PCB run" I will change my sig. Gladly as a matter of fact. This farce has gone on for far too long.

Now that previous paragraph involves almost no skepticism on my part. If I was being skeptical, I would ask for actual proof of mining. Not just numbers scrolling on a screen which could easily be spoofed. I would want to see the unit mining (with proof) for more than 20 seconds at a time. Running it in short bursts does nothing to reassure me that it can run for any length of time. I don't know how they would accomplish this other than to let an expert neutral observer with credibility (e.g. not Luke-jr logging in remotely) actually take physical possession of a unit, take it home and run it through the paces. BFL has so thoroughly poisoned their public relations well, they may only be able to prove this by actually shipping several hundred orders and have them operate successfully for 6 months or so in the marketplace.

Oh, and it would be nice if low post count sockpuppets didn't show up and tout BFL quite so often.

First off, might want to look at my join date..I am not a sock puppet for BFL, I just post when I feel it is necessary. I won't waste my time arguing with someone who contradicts themselves with their own statements.

I did not contradict myself. I contradicted you. Then I called you a shill for BFL, which may or may not be true. I can't control wether or not you support them in the face of relentless evidence to the contrary. I am still not contradicting myself. See me not contradicting myself? Watch carefully as I do not contradict myself. Grin

Quote from: dykast on April 20, 2013, 01:15:40 AM

If you really wanted to do some good for the community with your constant bashing for BFL, you should just stick to known facts. The easiest one is telling people that if you preorder now, do not expect your unit for at least 4+ months at the very least. I am sure that is something we can BOTH agree on that BFL does not tell customers.

I do. Thus my sig. A video posted by a company that has lied for 7 months, taken a lot of money from a lot of people, delivered no ASICs, and is run by a felon convicted of mail fraud for running a $20M scam is not a "fact". It is evidence that could be true or it could be misinformation. We do agree that BFL probably isn't giving anyone who orders a unit now anything for at least 4 months.

I will be glad if BFL finally ships something real. I might even buy one if they prove to be a quality product and can ship in a reasonable amount of time. I am tired of the relentless scamming that goes on in these forums because so many people engage in magical thinking instead of critical thinking.

As soon as BFL declares that they have sent the specs to the factory to produce the chips & PCBs in large volumes, I will amend the part to say they claim to have a working prototype that has entered production. I think posting the videos is a good thing for BFL (presuming they are not just more smoke and mirrors), it works towards recovering some of the credibility they have squandered over the last 7 months.