Quote from: GreenBits on May 10, 2017, 01:32:00 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on May 10, 2017, 11:49:51 AM

Quote from: GreenBits on May 10, 2017, 01:31:30 AM

....how do you force a sovereign nation to pay you money they don't want to? In fact, don't tell me, tell Greece and Venezuela's creditors Wink

Any tax levied against Mexico on consumer goods, ultimately hurts the American citizens that purchase said goods, because like any sane person, they will pass the difference along to us.
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The specific proposal IIRC was to tax remittances, money sent by Mexicans here back to their families. The major revenue source for Mexico.

Quote from: GreenBits on May 10, 2017, 01:39:23 AM

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How do you get welfare benefits, or any social welfare, without a valid and unique SSN? Employers can collect taxes from them, and they can pay into social security because the government rarely questions when you give it money. E-verify isn't that sophisticated apparently (which is a while different issue). But even with perfectly good faked papers (a perfect copy of a legitimate persons identity), how do you claim benefits when you have to apply, in person, with a case worker? You would need to supply pay stubs, all types of shit, too much info for a non person to generate......

They do this all the time.

Bitcoin is my answer to the first objection, and for the second objection, again how? It is literally impossible, I have a relation that works at a social security office in a very rural area. While the bar is low, really low, to qualify for help, they need a valid license that they actually run for validity, a valid social, and you need a valid address I believe. If they are stealing an identity, the addresses won't match up. If they fake it, no known person. And SS has access to the DMV. There is some shit you can get just with proof of address, I must admit. But this is usually during emergency situations, like a natural disaster.

Are you sure of this, or is this just talking points? You may have valid examples I'm not privy to, I'm not discounting your experience.it's just, per my experience, they tend to check these things, it's a more one on one process these days.

As a citizen myself, the only way I could think to do this would be to steal a neighbors identity, that you know the circumstance of, and phish enough details through casual conversation to fake pay stubs, mortgage or rent documents, and birth certificates social security numbers. It's possible, but if thats the most feasible way to do this, you can't tell me that the practice is widespread.

It's too hard to compromise an identity to the extent that you could get social welfare from it. You need current, intimate details that would indicate extreme proximity. How would illegals get this proximity as newcomers?

The fairest answer is that of the hundreds of programs you generalize about, some are easy and some are hard. The very definition of "illegal" is someone operating off-the-books, using a fake SSN at the minimum. The simplest example of off-the-books theft of services is the Mexican that comes across the border to have a baby in an American hospital. Hundreds do this every day.

The real answer to your incredulity is that access to the government programs and funds is easy when those running the programs make it easy which is the exact intent of many liberals.

Next you'll be claiming if they don't have valid ID they can't possibly enroll their children in school. Again, they do this all the time, routinely.

It may be where you go wrong is assuming the same rules apply to illegals as to you. That's incorrect. For example, you need an ID and a bank account to buy a new car on a loan. An illegal does not.

Worth mulling over, isn't it?