Quote from: mainpmf on May 11, 2017, 11:56:22 AM

Quote from: freeyourmind on May 11, 2017, 04:18:41 AM

"Public service" isn't always what it seems. For example, if the public no longer wants a particular service and would rather not fund it, would those public servants gladly get laid off? Or would they value their own personal job and income over the service they provide? I live in Canada and as soon as there is a department that is going to get funding cuts, they start picketing and threatening to go on strike. So keeping a job is priority #1. That type of public service will tend to acquire lower talent, and offer subpar service. I'd say private companies will always provide better service, because they need to compete for business.

Healthcare and education in the states is regulated, plus the government provides access to huge amounts of debt. It is the government that enables colleges and universities to basically require you to take out a mortgage for your education. If students couldn't access that type of debt, prices would have to fall as a result, as the non affluent population wouldn't be able to afford it.

LOL! The lamiest argument ever!!! "It's not the fault of private companies if they set the price 1000 times too high it's because the government allows so" xD
So it means government should regulate everything? That's communism for you!

And what you say about public services is stupid. Why chose? Why not both?
Their should be a national public service for everything that is remotely needed by people (energies, banks, food...) but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be place for private companies. I'd love to see an example of a better private companies than a public one because the argument of "private companies will always provide better service, because they need to compete for business." is completely stupid and USA is here for proof.

But whatever, if that's true then you'll have both public AND private, what's the problem at having both? If private is so good then public will go down.

I'm not sure you understood what I said, but quick to call others stupid. Obvious sign of a good dude

I'm not saying anything has fault...nor am I blaming private or public companies. The marketplace dictates what the price of something will be based on simple supply and demand. Now the government can manipulate that based on decreasing or increasing supply or demand. Giving access to debt allows the price to increase and still have demand. Many are not price sensitive when it comes to education.

You think public service in the USA is better than private? I don't think many would agree with you. Do you enjoy the customer experience of being in the DMV? The public organization with no legal competition. The monopolized public service. It's a terrible customer experience, and the tax payers are forced to do business with them. You can't go anywhere else to get a licence.

I don't think "private" or "public" businesses are bad. It depends on how they're implemented and executed. Our current public service is inefficient and has a poor level of service for the cost. I don't think many would disagree (I live in Canada, but I'd say this for North America in general). If the government hired passionate and interested people only, and minimized corruption and special interests, it could absolutely be great. But it's not that way right now.