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Quote from: Spendulus on May 10, 2017, 03:13:56 PM

No they don't. At least where the majority in the local culture talks Spanish, and where the immigrant is Mexican.

There are plenty of such places in the United States. For example, 37% of the population in the Greater Los Angeles area use Spanish as a home language. This figure climbs to 40% in Miami, 72% in El Paso, and 43% in San Antonio.

This is actually true. One of my friend who doesn't know Spanish stayed in El Paso for a week and he was like hunting for English stores. Learnt lots of Spanish words, we were wondering whether he went to Paso or Spain..

Again, not arguing there is a significant Spanish speaking population in places in the US. If there wasnt, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm simply saying that the illegal.immigrants aren't walking up to the voting boths, because of the risk of detection and subsequent expulsion. I'm here hiding, and I'm trying to sneak into a government office to falsely ID myself, to vote? That seems very unlikely to me. The article was stating that; Spend was saying that this isn't true in majority Spanish communities. I then asked for a community to be identified that would have a majority Spanish population, with the law enforcement being Spanish as well, as per BADs addition to the argument. Because I'm saying it's interaction with the government that gets you sent home; people trying to avoid going home have probably learned to largely avoid the government.

But yes, to concede your point, it is thick with Mexican immigrants in some places, just Latin Americans in general. Parts of Florida are like that too, and even when I was a kid, when I went to Texas to go to AstroWorld (6 Flags? It's been so long) I saw a bunch of really pretty Latin girls; it was my first time seeing so many Latin people in one place. I'm from Louisiana, was used to the local phenotypes Wink

if diversity means pretty ladies, then dammit, put this fucker in a blender, my man.

This is a typical argument propagated by various liberal media outlets. But research shows that a lot of the illegal immigrants do vote, especially in the deep blue states. And deportation is not a big deal. It is a joke. Check this:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/11/lennox-lake-california-boy-hurt-dui-crash-illegal-immigrant-who-was-deported-15-times

God protect the little girl. That's pretty tragic. But will a wall prevent someone that is this incentivized to come back? 15 times. And I don't think those 'bollard walls' would do to much to stop a chap like this.

We would probably do well to simply jail them here. The assumption of non prosecution would largely dissappear, and the fear of a lengthy US prison sentence would dry this shit up but quickly. Would be expensive, but hey, we already jail minorities at a disproportionate rate; let's just switch up the demographic. I'd rather see violent offenders and repeat offenders in jail, than low level drug offenders. We are reembracing private prisons again despite the progress we had made moving away from this model; let's lock the real bad hombres up. Fuck deportation.

But dammit, show me this voting evidence! We keep getting tangential. I'll even take a biased article, I just need the talking points so I can investigate myself.

In the deepest blue States, does voting oversight not exist? Even at a federal level? How are illegal immigrants getting on voting rolls, when they aren't citizens? Save absentee ballot abuses, this is the only way to vote. How come, for all this sanctuary/deportation/crime rhetoric, no one can still explain to me how people with no identities vote in appreciable numbers, at the risk of incarceration?

If what you are saying is true, ICE should just camp elections. They could get millions of immigrants, no?

Hell yeah the argument is common. Common sense. It has a familiar taste because it's rooted in facts and reality, to the best of my ability. My argument has nostalgia because it's valid, you have indeed heard it before, from other sources that tried to present you with a factual truth. Like non partisan research tanks. And mainstream media outlets. But this reliance on biased news sources, to exclusion, is going to be y'alls undoing.

Reject my argument piecemeal. Dissect it. Destroy it. I want the clarification, not just the refutation:

Explain the mechanism by which illegals vote

Identify and describe the Democrat introduced legislature that enables this alleged behavior (here's a hint, try non citizen ID laws, it's a common rhetorical point on this from your side)

Describe a specific geographic region with characteristics that could facilitate illegal voting

Any of these weakens my argument, but does not invalidate it. Show me my error.