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Before anyone complains about taxation being thievery, that person should tell us who pays the Policeman,Soldiers,Firemen and how come they had hospitals to go to and who pays for the roads they drive on. Its a give and take example, You pay taxes and the Government provide these.

Forget Government. Do you want fire protection? How about police protection? How about soldier protection and hospitals? Forget taxes. Buy what you want. That way you don't have to buy a bunch of BS that you don't want. And, there will be competition among the service offerers, so the prices will come down. And you will easily be able to take the service providers to court if they don't follow through.

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Let's everything become private! Why not?
I mean what's private in USA and is not in civilized countries? Healthcare.
And how is USA doing in healthcare?

healthcare: 37. Just better than Slovenia, you're doing great yeah!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

Oh look at that! All the 10 best healthcare system in the world are public ones funded by taxation!!!
Could there be a link?

Nah must be just because USA isn't lucky.

Are you trying to sell people on an idea here? Or are you simply in favor of stealing property from people to accomplish a less expensive system for yourself?

Statistics regarding government services through taxation are going to be warped. Why? Because government is a money-making machine. And the statistics they put out, or allow to be put out, are going to be doctored so that they can eliminate as much of the competition as possible.

Hitler did it. Stalin did it. But in America, they have learned through the failure of Hitler and the failure of the USSR that you have to remain unknown, behind the scenes, if you want success. That's why the real Government in America isn't the President and Congress... or even the judicial system.

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Oh it's YOU PEOPLE who are trying to sell an idea here.
The idea that tax is theft.
Well it's simply not true. Tax is optimization and shared responsability.

"Statistics regarding government services through taxation are going to be warped. Why? Because government is a money-making machine." dumb, it doesn't change the money SPENT.
It's not because they can print money that it's not more efficient.

If taxation isn't theft, then what is it?

If you give your taxes willingly, then it is a donation.

If you pay taxes because you are forced to do it, it is theft.

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