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This is probably the closest to saying "they will not ship," but could also refer to the fact that BFL was obviously using customer preorders to fund R&D and there was never a guarantee that they would have a product. If they had failed, all of the "pre-orderers" would be completely screwed, as that money was GONE. Hence, Ponzi scheme that may have gotten lucky and actually produced a working product (sort of). +0

Unfortunately, your entire premise is false. There is nothing "obvious" about BFL using customer perorders to fund R&D. That's just a fantasy you've made up (or repeated, as the case may be) and there is no credible evidence to support this assertion. You may wish it to be true and you may want to believe it to be true, but you are unable to produce any credible evidence to support your assertion, which essentially makes it false (since it is false), and the only credible source of information (whether you choose to accept it as credible or not is immaterial, since it's your ONLY source) states otherwise.

You're right that I have no direct evidence that customer funds were used, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong. The best way to generate orders is to advertise that you have a product to ship "soon," all the while collecting more and more preorders and pushing the date back further. That gives you lots of (ever increasing) funds to work with while you are still designing the chip, PCBs, placing orders for same, etc. If these funds are in escrow somewhere until units begin shipping, then I applaud BFL for doing that. But if that's the case, I sure hope for your customers' sakes that your sources of investment capital have very deep pockets. It's tough to operate a company of your size for 8 months with ZERO income.

I take that back. Actually, you could use some of Luke's preorder money now, since you "shipped" him a "single" to your lab.

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Wow, the absolute definition of hypocrisy here. "Lying," "dirt bag," "piece of shit," you sure seem to fit all of those descriptions yourself, Josh. Amazing that you can throw them around so easily.

Really? Can you point out where the hypocrisy is? See, the problem is, you can't provide any evidence that I've done these things. You may, again, want them to be true, but just because you want something so badly doesn't make them true. The fact of the matter is, I have not lied or made up false information like Frankie here (or yourself, clearly)... and I can demonstrate that you have done so. You are not able to do the same... there's a reason for that. Frankie (and yourself) are lying, I am not. If you disagree with this, please provide some evidence. I've provided evidence that both you and Frankie are lying in this very post (and previous posts). Your statement of "BFL is obviously using preorders for R & D" is an outright lie. Frankie, we have already demonstrated his lying in great detail.

I believe you lied to customers about your "shipping soon" multiple times. I believe you were fully aware that you would NOT in fact be "shipping soon," and if you did believe it, well you are a bigger idiot than anyone you've been calling an idiot on this forum, and have no business being an officer of that company. Because of that lying (to customers and potential customers), that clearly also makes you a "dirt bag" and "piece of shit." Come to think of it, either way, you have no business being an officer of that company.

There's little point in responding specifically to these paragraphs, as I think you may be finally getting a glimmer of understanding when it comes to the difference between what you believe (or want to believe) and reality. You may believe these things, and that's fine. You're welcome to believe whatever you want. That just makes you wrong and gullible. Making statements that things are facts, when that are not facts, however, is the problem. As long as you preface your goofy statements with "I believe," then we don't have a problem, the problem starts when you state "You are doing X" and you have no proof or evidence for this. Be like CreativeX all you want, you can believe things without evidence or proof, that just makes you stupid and/or ignorant.