Quote from: kokjo on April 21, 2013, 08:46:51 PM

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Government is a construct of a society seeking to organise itself to be more efficient.

basically I agree with what you wrote except for that line.

Efficiency has nothing to do with founding gov'ts. Gov'ts are the least efficient allocators of resources known to man.

Many/most gov'ts were founded by gangs of thieves who conquered and subjected others in order to exploit them. Some/few were founded by people to protect the people from gov'ts of the first order, but none remain of that persuasion to my knowledge. Some have tried to dress themselves as if the people/society were a priority, but the laws, constitutions, and actions when observed in action do not support that stance.

you really have a fucked up sense of history.

@ Kokjo

How do you think governments are formed? Honestly, serious question.

the state of denmark became a democracy, to ensure the civil rights of the citizens, and to limit the kings power.

@ Kokjo

You totally avoided the question.

I'll ask you again.

How do you think governments are formed? Honestly, serious question.