Quote from: Luno on April 21, 2013, 09:24:49 PM

Quote from: Severian on April 21, 2013, 09:03:13 PM

Quote from: Luno on April 21, 2013, 09:01:16 PM

Stealing by not paying all your taxes

I'm sorry, but this kind of thinking is insanity. Defending myself from theft by "legal" coercion isn't stealing.

My point is that government offer something. The deal might be bad from your point of view, but you have a choice. It's a contract you agree to!

You can't claim moral superiority over your government if you steal back from them.

It is not stealing to prevent a thief from taking your property.

It is not stealing to recover your property from a thief.

My relationship or arrangement with gov't is not a contract I agreed to. The laws of the government do not allow enforcing a contract if I was not presented all the terms prior to agreement and also prohibit changing the terms after I agree. The fact that the government does not have to follow contract law shows our arrangement with government is not a contract. Further, the remedy for breach of contract does not include either party taking out with other party with military action. Yet that is the government's remedy against the people. Of course, the people are not allowed to have equivalent capability of arms, nor are they allowed to exercise even the limited capability of arms they are allowed. This imbalance of power and exercise of force shows that the arrangement with gov't is so far from contract it is not even a binding agreement. In any other setting the law would define this arrangement as extortion. But when the thugs write the law, they define it differently. But what is a name?

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'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.

Of course the same logic holds impeccably for that which is sweet only in name but deed is not. Extortion by any other name...