Quote from: yvv on May 19, 2017, 02:29:57 PM

Quote from: SatoNatomato on May 19, 2017, 02:09:33 PM

Quote from: ByteFan on May 19, 2017, 01:24:09 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on May 19, 2017, 12:52:13 PM

It could be he's just a honest enthousiast, but I can't know for sure.

I am. But you dont' have to trust me anyway. The only thing you have to trust is that 6 witnesses (that is to say a majority of the 12) does not collude together.

There is no risk using our witness.

what the fuck.

The whole point of witness is that you have to be trusted.

Yes you can wreck havoc as a witness, especially attempting to be first, you set a precedent. You can attempt double spends on your own.

The risk is huge for Byteball if anyone uses your witness, after what you have shown and said so far.

Actually, ByteFan is right. All we need to care is that the majority of witnesses don't collude. All 12 witnesses belonging to one person (event if it is tonych) is a bigger threat to the network than 12 witnesses belonging to 12 random guys.

What I meant with "have to be trusted" above is exactly the point that the witnesses should not collude. Trusted in the social sense, especially because it is an attempt to snatch the first witness, it sets a precedent for others to follow. Technically of course anyone can start a witness and anyone can spend their own bytes to post transactions using that witness and seemingly inflating any "% of units using the witness in last 1000 transactions" - big deal. As long as majority is honest, network is good.

I, for one, do not for a second doubt that ByteFan would be the first to collude with other witnesses, or make more of them behind different personas, given a chance.

Would you honestly trust that 12 anonymous random guys are actually 12 random real persons and not sockpuppets of ByteFan?
This is why witnesses have to be known in the real world, as the whitepaper says, reputable business or persons,
to whom we place the trust that they wouldnt collude with others and post frequently enough.