Quote from: ComputerGenie on May 23, 2017, 11:39:59 PM

Quote from: jermwerty2 on May 23, 2017, 10:48:38 PM

...Those farms in china run hot with just outside air and seem to be ok!

You can just about bet money that they all run with ambient temps under 80F. Wink

that is incorrect. bitmains firmware tries to run the boards at 95-100 degrees c hence the constant ramping up in fan speed. again if you paid attention you would know this. this just adds to me thinking you dont have any of their hardware running yourself. ur just saying whatever on the interwebz just to be a troll lol.

Quote from: ComputerGenie on May 22, 2017, 05:58:28 PM

Quote from: Biffa on May 23, 2017, 12:05:24 AM

numnutz2009:

Not sure what you hope to accomplish by feeding the troll, but, on behalf of all who have it on ignore, can you please stop quoting it?

And as for the capitalisation of your sentences, I do understand your laziness around the concept, but I'd just like to remind you:

Dear people who type in all lowercase, We are the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse. Sincerely, Capital Letters.
Grin

please dont start biffa. tryin to troll me as a way of stopping me conversing with a troll seems a bit backwards to be honest. also its capitalization not "capitalisation". now i know im not the best speller and im far from a grammar/spelling nazi but if your going to be one please make sure ur reply is on point. ty.

Quote from: ComputerGenie on May 22, 2017, 05:58:28 PM

Quote from: numnutz2009 on May 22, 2017, 05:42:07 PM

...[blablablibbidybla].

I love the fact that you cannot support your claims and then claim that you made no such claims. You entertain me.
Either:
Bitmain was wrong to control fan speeds (and you can factually support such a claim with data)
or
Everything you said was just meaningless trolling based on mere speculation.

You drivel on about how I should prove that "running the miners harder and hotter is the best option" while ignoring the 100, or so, times I've reiterated that the ROI is diminished at a far greater pace than any "improvements" seen by mere cgi file "underclocking" (never once have I questioned the validity of those, like Sidehack, that actually change things [including frequency and voltages] based on measured results). What good is a $1,200-1,800 miner that lasts 10 years and only produces a gross of $1,000 over the entire 10 year period?

Either present data to support your claim* or go back to your little troll-hole.

*surely someone with your level of certainty has charts with BTU output recordings to support your claim that manual fan speeds make the miners run "cooler" and more efficiently....

lol what does roi have to do with what is safe and what isnt safe for a machine?? thats what i dont get man...i asked before but u ignored my question. i know why u did but thats neither here nor there tbh. so i will reply directly yet again....

running a miner hotter and/or harder is bad for the chips boards and every component in that miner with the exception of the case lol. since you keep quoting roi times lets go with that....if you run a miner cooler in higher temp seasons the miner will last longer 99% of the time there is no disputing that (outside the typical component failures due to variations when manufacturing the components etc so lets assume everything is perfect) so it runs for well past the 6 month warranty and beyond. now if you run it hotter and harder you dramatically decrease the lifespan of the miner as a whole which means you wont make money because the miner isnt running anymore since it died and you cant resell a non working miner for a decent price to upgrade to a later model since it is only partially working. so you can get (for the sake of argument) 1 year of life from the miner when temps are cooler vs much less/risking much less lifespan by running it hotter and harder. your logic falls flat my friend. cant mine any coins if your miner dies . you mention roi like thats any of your business to begin with. bitmain didnt remove the clock speeds on the miners to make sure everyone gets the maximum roi for the miner. they could give 2 shits if we break even or not....they got their money already thats all they care about at that point. what is good for you isnt good for others. you can have your own opinions and im sure just about everyone here respects your opinion but i dont see any facts tied to them what so ever meanwhile this thread that you and i have been posting in for months now has story after story of miners running hot and boards dying out. that is my proof just red through previous posts or you can google words involving antminer s9 wont hash etc to see countless other posts and even take you to direct posts in this thread. you hate on me yet you refuse to even read what i say half the time. a troll will be a troll lol

u mention sidehacks name....did you ask him if running a miner hotter and harder is safer for the miner overall?? its a general rule when mining...heat kills boards. knc miners...terrahash miners...hashfast/jallys....bitfurry....black arrow....the list goes on man. the proof is out there confirming what i say. people that have been doing this for a very long time know the horror stories of gpus burning up the paste killing chips and so on and thats from a multi billion dollar company like nvidia and ati so do u think bitmain and all these other developers of hardware have the same sort of vetted track record on design and cooling? if sidehack is able to provide clocking options for bitmain chips on miners he makes explain to me how the MAKER OF THE MINERS THOSE CHIPS CAME FROM CANT PROVIDE THAT AS WELL?? every freq shown on the advanced config page can be tested out can it not? not on every single miner....they can take a handful of miners and run the diff freqs to figure out what to include in that list and what isnt good to include right? or is the perfect design created by the amazingly perfect company suddenly not so perfect?

and let the side steppin back peddlin and dodging of comments made begin...............K...............GO