Quote from: qurshmdkgd on May 23, 2017, 04:07:52 AM

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Quote from: qurshmdkgd on May 23, 2017, 02:22:32 AM

Taxation is not theft for the same reason sex is not always rape, there is consent.

Where is the consent in taxation? It is similar to rape. The government decides the tax rates, and the citizens have to pay. It doesn't matter whether they want to pay or not.

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Quote from: qurshmdkgd on May 23, 2017, 02:22:32 AM

Taxation is not theft for the same reason sex is not always rape, there is consent.

Coerced consent is not really consent. Governments use force and threats now instead of the will or consent of the governed. Like Bill Cosby with his romances, there are very few complaints but calling it consent is a stretch.

you are free to leave your country or to go live in nature, but if you want the shared benefits of a modern society, then you have to contribute in the form of taxes to upkeep this society.

You are not following the argument.

1) A person is not free to "live in nature". Unless you go to the middle of the desert, or buy a boat and sail to antarctica, you will face some interference from governments.

2) Very few people want to completely abolish all services. The issue is not "all services vs no services", the issue is why should we spend $5 trillion http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/war-costs-report-brown-university or $14,000 for every man, woman and child, to invade a country whose dictator we installed, only to make the region less stable anyway. The average household in America is about 3 people, roughly $35,000 to $40,000 per household that was worse than wasted, it actually did harm.

3) One of the foundations of America specifically, if you research its origins, is the importance of the consent of the governed. Today America is not a political entity that governs a population, it is an assemblage of law enforcement entities that incentivize their employees to create criminals, to turn citizens into law breakers by adjusting laws to increase the number of criminals. Taxes are an excellent example.