Quote from: myrkul on April 23, 2013, 04:12:30 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2013, 04:05:10 AM

Quote from: myrkul on April 23, 2013, 03:46:11 AM

Driving with a full bladder impairs your ability. Should we prosecute people who drive when they have to pee?

If/when it is a factor in 1/3 of the traffic fatalities, ya, probably.

What about sleepy?

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In fact, one in every six deadly car crashes results from a fatigue-impaired driver, estimates the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Perfectly legal, except in Jersey. My point is that you're not punishing impairment, you're punishing blood content.

Quote from: tvbcof on April 23, 2013, 04:05:10 AM

Particularly if it is completely common knowledge that driving with a full bladder kills thousands of people, it is completely trivial to empty one's bladder and thus not expose others to the danger, and the people who are driving with a full bladder do it so for their own perverse enjoyment like boozers do.

It was my understanding that drunk drivers drive drunk because they want to go somewhere (typically, home), and are drunk. I was not aware they are getting a sick thrill from it. Do you have a study that shows that, or is that just your personal opinion?

Boozers make a choice to go away from home and get hammered, and they do so for their own personal enjoyment. If they drive, everyone else on the road absorbs the cost in terms of extra risk, and most importantly, the fellow travelers do not agree to subsidize the boozers enjoyment. That is, in fact, why most of us support laws against drunk driving.

Even as a stupid-ass kid in the army we all took turns being a designated driver and planned it out ahead of time. It is the common-sense decent thing to do, and we would have don't it even if the laws were not so harsh and probably even if they did not exist at all. I've got no sympathy for someone who lacks this kind of decency and zero interest in taking on the extra risk needed to support their habits.

Everyone gets sleepy and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Only first-class losers go out on the road drunk. There is a difference that most people see. That said, it is irresponsible to drive when one is totally exhausted also, and if they do so with extreme negligence and kill someone because of it then they should suffer the consequences as well. Jury of one's peers...it can be a bitch...cry me a river.