Quote from: Snail2 on May 25, 2017, 09:42:51 AM

Quote from: mainpmf on May 24, 2017, 01:39:01 PM

If we go back in time what do we see?
Few wars between ottoman empire and west.
Colonization.
Crusades.
Shit like this?
Wanna count the points?
Not sure West is the winner here...

The West will win. Those arabs are divided in every possible way and as the wahhabis and Iran gaining ground, those divisions are getting deeper and deeper every day.

Crusades were a natural answer to the earlier muslim invasion of Europe (Spain, Sicily, France, Italy and the Byzantine territories, Armenia, Georgia). After the beginning or the Reconquista, recapturing Sicily, Malta, Rhodes and Cyprus, bringing the war back to the Middle East was the best defence against further incursions and also relived the pressure on the Byzantine Empire. So the tusken were kept at bay and away from our lands for nearly 200 years what gave us enough time to prepare for the next invasion (ottomans).

The ottomans occupied the whole Balkans, the Romanian principalities, half of Hungary, South Ukraine and repeatedly launched large scale attacks towards the west.

So, mate who used to invade whom?

Oh if you really want to play historic game you'll have to go back a bit earlier in time :p
Catholic roman empire?
Does it ring a bell in terms of massive invasion? ^^

But my point was never to say "bah we're the evil ones we've started the crusades blame ourselves and let us all kill ourselves in regrets"
Not at all.

My point is that the problem is NOT ISLAM. The problem is that we've been destabilizing, attacking, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents men women and children only to steal them their ressources.
Is it evil? Well it's human nature, I'm not going to judge, and I'm using those ressources.
But islamic extremism is just the consequence of that, there is no reason and no need to feel like we're the victims, that's all I'm saying. They're the victims and we fucked them pretty hard. That's all I'm saying.