Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 27, 2017, 12:22:51 AM

Quote from: kurious on May 26, 2017, 11:09:41 PM

Quote from: aminorex on May 26, 2017, 09:55:17 PM

I was at the NYC event. The most blatant market manipulation I have observed was the smear campaign which followed. I have been quiet because I don't like to encourage people to sell, because they will probably harm themselves if they do so, yet I anticipated that the reaction cycle would be adverse to price, once I saw the event, so I have been lying low. I have now begun to buy again, and so I feel my influence is now less likely to harm anyone.

I am still very saddened by the intense negative emotion that has been expressed here. Surely you must see that such effusions are harmful to yourself. While you cannot undo the damage you caused to yourself, at least learn from this, and do not let facile emotions dictate words and deeds so incautiously in future.

As for fluffyponyza's tweets, I think they were very ill-considered. It seems particularly poor taste to say that pre-announcements would be unethical, after having made a pre-announcement. The fact that it was intended as a deceit does not make it more ethical. The logic of that is so bizarrely twisted that it saddens me.

I think the marvelous progress made by endogenic on iOS and Android support is the truly newsworthy part of the presentation. Surae's discussion of the process of cryptographic review was also of greater importance than fluffyponyza's troll. Unfortunately these are being overlooked, because they can not be exploited to make you puke up cheap coins.

I am glad you have posted on this and your response is reasoned and about in line with my own.

Yes, I think a lot of the reaction was OTT, but personally while I know what he 'meant' and FP's little joke was not existential, the ill-judged nature of it has created a bad atmosphere and a ton of troll fodder that it need not have.

Monero is still a great project and this won't change that, but by creating confusion and the potential accusation of pump and dump scam (even if inadvertently) was foolish.

That is about it. but one more small point:

I could do without people high up from 'Monero Mountain' with wine glasses in hand sneering at people who are genuine supporters of this project and deserve better. It only serves to entrench resentment, not heal it.

The only power to "entrench resentment" possessed by drunken Monero mountaineers is the amount you voluntarily grant them. For example, nothing I can post could possibly make Aminorex sell, because he is Based AF and not a whiny melting snowflake.

He is also 100% spot-on about the blatant market manipulation and smear campaign. Very sad to see some of our finest Mustangs succumbing to (*gasp*) popular sentiment as found on social media, aiding and abetting the Ztrash/Dash troll brigade. Embarrassed

If Monero is not sufficiently anti-fragile to survive its weak holders under the mildly adverse conditions of a well-intentioned and poignant practical joke, it does not deserve to continue. Smooth has already explained this; I'm not sure why normies are still not grokking the idea:

Quote from: smooth on May 25, 2017, 02:00:59 AM

'anti fragile' means that if anything fluffypony says or matters all that much, we're doing something wrong. Fortunately, it doesn't.

(And to the extent that this stunt makes what he says or does matter even less, we're doing something right.)

Android and Surae are so much more important than endless butthurt over what is obviously high caliber performance art (which should be profoundly provocative and thus controversial due to displaced cognitive dissonance).

Please disabuse yourself of the false conceit that I am here to coddle, placate, compromise, or (to use your euphemism) "heal" your poutrage.

I am here to catalyze and amplify your self-inflicted resentment until you pull a Hearn and puke up cheap coins. Wink

If you rage-dumped XMR because of some farcical trifle about a #FluffyGate tweet, you never deserved to hold a single Tacoshi.

I didn't ragedump, nor am I 'poutraged', I don't even think you have any obligation to do anything in particular. I would just rather you didn't sneer at anyone who isn't (like you) gleefully happy about what happened, and I have voiced this opinion. That's all.