Quote from: RenegadeMind on April 24, 2013, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: Hawker on April 24, 2013, 01:18:39 PM

Quote from: RenegadeMind on April 24, 2013, 01:09:49 PM

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Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. ~ Thomas Jefferson

You don't have to be moral or good. There is no requirement there. The only thing people need to do is follow that little pearl of wisdom so nicely stated by TJ there.

Thomas Jefferson had no problem with slavery or taxation. If you are happy to accept his authority, you are happy that taxation is moral as is the violence needed to back up tax demands.

TJ wasn't perfect, but he was on the right track there.

You nicely illustrate just how collectivists and statists always end up resorting to violence. They are basically incapable of not resorting to violence because they simply have no rational arguments otherwise. What better argument than just running around and beating and murdering people? Great argument! Got a problem? Kill it! Violence DOES solve invented and contrived problems!

I agree. We are a violent species and no society can ever exist without violence. I see you would prefer we were not a violent species. That's very nice.