Quote from: Manticore on April 25, 2013, 03:10:04 PM

Quote from: oakpacific on April 25, 2013, 03:46:43 AM

What about complete disregard of FACTS?

Mind you, the Gox price bounced from $54 to $136, then crashed back to $50, in the whole process their trading engine didn't break a sweat, if they really have a crash-proof trigger why did they not pull it?

What about the numerous lags during the spike up in the last few days?

And what about the multiple charting/exchanging services down at the same time with Gox?

Not to say Prolexic's threat advisory about Gox, obviously you had never paid attention to.

And what did all this have to do with what I do for a living? A troll can do anything for a living, or did you entertain with the idea that I implied you are a paid shill? Sorry I don't consider it probable, as I have dealt with many shills in my life, you simply suck at it that I would not consider you to be a professional.(but yeah, anything can happen)

Now let me offer you a much more proper and elaborated conspiracy theory: A DDOS attack would not cost much, normally something between $200 and $2000, Gox could simply go to a botnet operator and pay him to attack themselves, whenever they feel the need to manipulate the price, it would be much more difficult to uncover then the silly plot of shutting down the service whenever things go out of control.

Try harder next time.

Well, I never said there weren't DDoS attacks and I never said they have a crash proof trigger (impossible). I don't buy into the notion that the sell-offs were created by DDoS attacks but do not dispute that they ever occurred. The DDoS attacks became the perfect excuse to blame any sell-off, whether or not each outage was a DDoS related event. And they did 'cool-off' trading on the downside. It is my belief that lags prevented sell-offs up until April 11th when selling was too great.

These lags could've been orchestrated by anyone, sure. Or, they could've been coincidental and inherent to poor trading engine design. Either way, they occurred conveniently at support levels along with trading bots that were supporting the bid. Because I believe the lag/trading bot combo actually prevented sell-offs (or attempted, on April 11th), I believe that, if it was orchestrated by something, it was meant to keep the price up.

I am glad they are gone so everyone can stop blaming them for sell-offs, which will naturally occur. We would've crashed on April 11th regardless of any lag because we had moved to far too fast. The sell-off in large blocks was well under way before the lag.

I take it they've improved their system, which is good, so the lags may have been coincidental (although the bot support wasn't). I haven't noticed lags on the way up because I have not been watching it very closely, but I'm glad to hear that they are now occurring on the upside. I also noticed bots pushing the price down after April 11th, but I hadn't seen much of that prior.

There has been manipulation in this market on both sides, IMO.

I probably suck at being a shill because I'm not a shill.

This was not what you said about 12 days ago, you predicted that Gox will lag whenever the price starts dropping.

Quote from: Manticore on April 12, 2013, 04:17:23 AM

If the price starts dropping, you can rest assured Gox will lag. The lower they go, the longer the lag. Same lag, different excuse. Sometimes they lag because of success. Sometimes they lag because of panic selling. Sometimes they lag because of DDoS. Or, perhaps they lag to manipulate the price?

And your way of argument is pathetic, it's like saying"If my opponent beats me then he uses foul play, if I beat him then it's because I am too powerful that even his foul plays are ineffective."， Wonderful， keep'em coming.

You also conveniently ignore the fact that Gox also lagged profusely during a lot of spike-ups, the most recent ones are just after the crash and well "documented" in the wall thread, check it out.

Of course you would also consider the many(not just one, please) instances of simultaneous price dips and DDOSes to be mere coincidences, or Gox just made them up to make everything looks real, who knows.